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Old 03-25-2009, 07:49 PM
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no,no gangs,we are a peace loving Country and we all get along very well.
our young folks all have jobs and there is no time for gang activity.
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:51 PM
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ooooo my heavens yes..... granted you have to standardize this when you compare to other areas/countries like: brazil, el salvador, certain cities in the states.... the murder rate is not so high, but activity is..mostly in the form of drugs, prositution and other "imports". Because of the cultural diversity in canada, particularily in its major cities (its no uncomon to hear 15 different languages spoken on a day, i counted one time ), alot of gang activity is fueld by racial tension. For example, you have the "skinheads" who hate coloured, the hells angels, crip and blood sets, and the one that scares me the most is MS-13.....if you havent seen the "gangland" video on youtube for MS-13 watch that damn thing, these guys scare the hell outta me. like 20 were arrested like 2 years ago in my old city.
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:55 PM
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Stopping it from being fertilized with lots of different chemicals combined in a lil pill.. Wow and thats a stretch...?!
Oh and as far as masturbation if there was no egg/semen contact how is that considered murder?
is contraceptive murder?

The prevention of what could be/would be/should be...but never actually was.

You cant kill something before it is alive, but you can prevent it from becoming alive...is that prevention murder...???

I dont think so...but if you ask me, morning after pills are not contraceptives. They are excuses to have unprotected sex and then hope with a chemical cocktail you beat the possibility or kill the embryo.

I'm alright with protection...but that doesnt extend as far as any pills AFTER the intercourse...
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:56 PM
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Well, actually that's a different story. If it's just stopping fertilization, then it's not terminating an existing human being. How long after intercourse can this pill be taken? And does it cease to be effective once the egg has been fertilized? If it's preventing fertilization, then it's birth control. If it's terminating a fertilized egg, then it's abortion. The transition from two haploid cells to one diploid cell is the key turning point between birth control and murder.

HOWEVER, the argument about making sex consequence free still stands. That's not going to lead to more responsible behavior among teenagers, it's going to exponentially increase promiscuity and sexual activity in children.

If we were to truly look at the issue of abortion subjectively and scientifically, not politically, then there is no doubt whatsoever that abortion is murder and life as we know it begins at conception:

1. An egg and a sperm are known as haploid gametes. In plain english, they are cells that contain only one chromosome (half a DNA strand), instead of two. Thus they only become complete cells when they pair with a compatible gamete in the process that we refer to as sexual reproduction.

2. Once fertilization occurs, those two single strands are "stitched" together to create a full double helix strand of DNA. Once that occurs, then the embryo contains 100% of the DNA information that it will need to develop and live out its entire life from birth to old age.

3. When I was a single cell, I had exactly the same amount of DNA information in my body as I do now. In fact, maybe more back then, because environment, age, illnesses and lifestyle all serve to create mutations in our DNA. However, we have only observed mutations removing information from a DNA strand. New information being added to a DNA strand, through natural mutation, has NEVER been observed or documented. So, in scientific terms, there is no proof that it ever actually happens.

4. Going by a subjective, materialistic, and scientific standpoint, there is absolutely no way to distinguish a one-celled embryo from a full grown human on a purely genetic basis. The DNA information remains essentially the same (taking into account the loss of information that mutations cause), the only materialistic difference is the number of copies of that information and the increased mass of the organism's body.

Thus, the statement that life, as we understand it, begins at conception no longer becomes some fluffy religious or political ideal, it can be established as a proven, scientific fact.
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Old 03-25-2009, 07:59 PM
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I agree with most of your points, but I should point out that overpopulation is a myth. The earth is not overpopulated. In fact, you could take all 7 billion people on this planet right now and put them in the state of Texas and it would still be less crowded than New York City.

So the problem is not population, the problem is congestion. People just crowd too much into cities and areas that simply cannot handle large numbers of human beings. There are still plenty of areas in the United States where you can drive for miles and miles without seeing a single person (that's almost the entire state of New Mexico).
Are you offering a home for 2 billion Chinese in Hillsboro Illinois Nathan

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Old 03-25-2009, 08:01 PM
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is contraceptive murder?

The prevention of what could be/would be/should be...but never actually was.

You cant kill something before it is alive, but you can prevent it from becoming alive...is that prevention murder...???

I dont think so...but if you ask me, morning after pills are not contraceptives. They are excuses to have unprotected sex and then hope with a chemical cocktail you beat the possibility or kill the embryo.

I'm alright with protection...but that doesnt extend as far as any pills AFTER the intercourse...
evening Dave,
i dont suppose you could take a few seconds out of your rant
to say hello to mscomc,a new forum member here from Canada?
thanks Dave,if i can ever help you out in someway just remember,
i'm always here for you,
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Old 03-25-2009, 08:05 PM
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In an ideal world with ideal outcomes this may be true but we do not live in a vacuum and this is not always the case. SO there is a chance the chemicals kill the fertilized egg. This mumbo jumbo is right out of Planned Parenthood's play book. You have way to much faith in the drug industry. They do not have a great track record of telling the truth.
You have no proof it doesnt act exactly how Malcom said. Its not mumbo jumbo, you just refuse to believe that science tells you its safe...because it would mean you had no leg to stand on in regards to murder...since no murder is taking place.
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Do you guys spell color as "colour"? How about blue, do you spell it "bleu"?
Colour...is how the word is spelt in English....
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Old 03-25-2009, 08:11 PM
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evening Dave,
i dont suppose you could take a few seconds out of your rant
to say hello to mscomc,a new forum member here from Canada?
thanks Dave,if i can ever help you out in someway just remember,
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Old 03-25-2009, 08:16 PM
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is contraceptive murder?

The prevention of what could be/would be/should be...but never actually was.

You cant kill something before it is alive, but you can prevent it from becoming alive...is that prevention murder...???

I dont think so...but if you ask me, morning after pills are not contraceptives. They are excuses to have unprotected sex and then hope with a chemical cocktail you beat the possibility or kill the embryo.

I'm alright with protection...but that doesnt extend as far as any pills AFTER the intercourse...
Read my previous posts regarding this subject. In this post I was being sarcastic just an FYI...
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