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Old 01-25-2009, 11:10 AM
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In line with the giving praise to God on the new forum, I think we should share some testamonies, the bible tells us to always be ready to give account of what God has done, and I think there is very little more encouraging in the Christian walk than hearing what God is doing in the lives of our brothers and sister.

And since I brought it up, I better get the ball rolling and stand on the biles challenge of always being ready to give account

so here it is:-

the past few years have had some serious ups and downs, since getting married, we hae experienced a lot of rubbish in life. From family members passing away to marriages breaking up and stuff. just over two years ago, my wife was told that she had polycystic ovaries and that concieving children would be hard, we tried for 18 months without success, then we had good news, we were pregnant - now I have shared this before, and we are so hapy that we have been blessed with this. however the trials did not end there.

We had some scaes with the baby early on - my wife ad a bleed and we rushed her to the hospital. this happened a few times early in the pregnancy.

Then around september, I was forced out of my job, I made a mistake at work and was basically given the ultimatum - quit or go through a disciplinary which could lead to getting fired. Having a mortgage and a wife with a baby on the way there was no way I could face getting sacked as no other employer would take me on as if I had gotten the sack it would have been labeled as misconduct.

This left me no other option but to hand my notice in and walk away from my job with a clean record. This in and of itself was the first of God blessing at this time simply because my manager did not have to give me that option, so I praised God for that although it was hard at the time.

I had to work a notice period of one month and during that time I applied for 60-70 jobs, and I did not hear back from any of them.

Now I was out of work, no income coming in, but still bills coming in. and not jobs on the horizon, I had been invited to a few interviews but was unsuccessful in getting jobs. this continued for 4 weeks.

I had a week of interviews for pretty much anything I could find a vacancy for. Then at the end of taht one week I was sick of interviewing and sat down with my wife, I had one more interview to go to that week, and told her I didnt want to go to it. She reminded me that I had prayed that God wold open the right doors and that I should go to the interview, so reluctantly I left for the interview.

This was coming towards the end of the month and I had bills coming through the door and no money to pay for it. I attended the interview and felt it had gone ok.

On my way home,I got a call from my wife who had recieved an envelope through the door, the message on the front simply said be blessed, inside the envelope was enough money to cover the mortgage for that month, a few other things lined up and all the bills got paid.

Now all the time I had been working we had faithfully paid tithe to our church, my mathematical brain telling me that we could not afford to hand out a large some of money each month - but doing it anyway. Its a principle I will never again take for granted.

Later that week I had a few letters from interviews saying that I would not be offered the jobs I had applied for, and I was gutted, until I had a phone call, it was from the last company I interviewd for, I had been successful, the one interview I did not want to go to and that was the job I was offered, this was now november and I was told that my start date would not be until december - that would mean I would be out of work for 2 months and that aother set of bills would need to be paid before i got an income coming in.

God had come through for us once, I knew He could do it again, He has proven Himself so faithful to me through everything, a promised baby, a new job and add to all of that He has made it possible to go through this tough time and not miss a single bill.

And to top all that off. The job I had now, I am really enjoying - the office is at the end of the road, and right now it is part time bringing in just enough to gt by, but being part time, I have the ability to support my wofe who is right now 8 days past her due date for our first child - a little girl that was a gift from God and is expected just about anytime she feels like making an appearence.

This whole thing has really brought to the fore how important it is to honour God with His commands, tithes for me are not logical in the physical but having seen the fruit of my giving to the storehouse never again will I question giving. After all its the one thing that God says we can test Him on.

My family and I have been very blessed even through the tough times and for me right now the truth of the scripture I will quote at the end is so real. I praise God taht I still have a roof over my head and food to feed my family.

Thank you God

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And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us.
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I've been brought up Christian, by parents who were involved in the revival in York. As I understand it my Father was brought up Christian by his Mother, but my Mother was not Christian and neither were either of her parents. Father was senior in the york Christian Union and nearly made President in his final year..Mother began going to a Brethren Church, very strict, and she converted. Whereupon she went home and told her parents they were going to Hell.

Her Mother went back to Christianity after a troubled upbringing involving a Catholic Boarding school and a devorce, and her Father later converted after a service in Lincoln Cathedral...he would go on to be one of the most powerful prayer warriors in our Church.

My first explicit commitment to Christ took place in the early 90s when my Father was ordained a Minister in Secular Employment for the Church of England and my Mother broke a statue of a little boy in a huge hand. Seeing the level of hurt it broght a stoic woman who never expressed feelings was shocking to me. My parents were both big in Saint Georges, my Mother was involved in prayer counselling, but that ended sourly, then I came along and she was depressed, but she eventually came out of it and took over as an administrator after the Priest at the time had a breakdown, until the inter-regnum was over.

I flourished in the Church because I could sing, and I could play the Clarinet, I also loved the sort of spritual debating that would happen in the Youth Groups. But then my Grandfather died of secondary cancer, years after having bowel cancer. It was the first family death I had experienced, and I abandoned christianity because I didnt believe in the afterlife...I couldnt. His wife brought me a tape at Christmas of that year, a meditation by Terry Oldfield called "De Profundis" on Psalm 130, out of the depths. It was that which helpped me eventually come back to Christ after a year, but on my own faith.

Things seemed to be going alright until I then hit puberty and discovered that I had a devient streak in my sexuality. At first I hid it, then later I told my family, and they took it realllllllllllly badly. So I didnt tell anyone else. Instead I went into cycles of self harm.

By now I was at Univeristy and for the first time I was living in a multi-cultural environment. I suddenly came up against Islamic Friends, and it made me question, I spent a long time as a Platonic Universalist. I had such a heart for others I couldnt bear the thought of someone I knew dying and not being in paradise. But when I tried to be a Unitarian...it wasnt working, It was too lose. It dawned on me then, that we really were in a war, and people really would not make it.

I did my searching during this phase between the denominations of Christianity, to find something I could connect to. I started with house churches because they were the most, informal, and the most tollerant, but they hosted alpha, and I had a nasty experience on the away weekend, which left me feeling very down. The Alpha course is a course thats supposed to introduce people to Christianity by study of a pauline text. It involves a meal, a video by the producer of the course, and then a spiritual discussion. The away weekend focuses on the Holy Spirit and there includes a miniature invokation...EVERYONE else received something...apart from me. I felt so embarrised and stupid, and I felt rejected and hated by GOD for the first time. I tried the pentecostal church, but they locked me in for an invokation and I got really frightened...Frightened, when all the other Christians were having fun...then it dawned on me...perhaps I wasnt a Christian after all..and perhaps that was because of my lingering sexual issue.

My parents had tried everything from counselling, the Christian Charities set up to help gays. but what stopped me from practising was the day that my Mother and me argued and she used a passage from Dueteronomy about choosing life, or choosing death. I was told it was a choice, and later that afternoon we ended up surounded by people in church who wore jumpers and clothes...and the same words kept appearing "choose life" My Mother scoffed that GOD doesnt usually make it that blunt!

All through University I had avoided the social clubs, I had never practised, telling myself the feeling wasnt sinful, but the action was. In my final year the stress got too much and I had a viscious self harm accident. that triggered my anxiety dissorder. This dissorder was the worst thing in the world, chronic dizziness, chronic headaches, visual distortions, myclonic dystonic Tremours...this was STRESS, clinical stress...and noone would believe me that I was ill, except for a few Christians. They looked after me and I made a nearly complete recovery...until I left University and went to Saint Paul's Cathedral

The Lay Community was designed to be a sheltered period of time where one could decide what one wanted to do with ones life, whilst working in the church, doing an MA and living in a community. But just as I entered, there was a leadership change...and the new director of the Community was just incompetant. He had not selected the people and he offered us no help. In that first year Two people were diagnosed with clinical depression, one with chronic back pains, and one was kicked out of the house after threatening to kill someone. my Symptoms came back...and although the Cathedral told me it didnt matter, I got depressed, and began on anti-depressants.

When I started to feel better I used the excuse that GOD had given me a second chance to live, so I should waste it..and I began to practise homosexuality, for well over a year. Meanwhile although I had discovered my niche with high Anglicanism, I was about to abandon the Church. Some people in the Cathedral launched an attack, to try and get me removed from my office. They made up lies and the assult continued for about 8 months, it forever damaged my view of the Church

So much...I now do not believe there is One Faith and One Church...I believe there is THE faith, and THE Church...and I was through with THE latter. I didnt begin attending a church in Harrogate til late last year.

Then I was forced up to Harrogate, and started on this Forum. Over time I learned from some of the Christians on here that practise was wrong, although they eventually shut me down and removed me as Moderator of the Christian Section for simply feeling homosexual, the condemnation was really about the practise, and I stopped. I'm learning not to put myself under the social lables of "homosexual" or "gay" but..the feelings of same sexed attraction have never gone away.

Now I am just lonely and cold...I still feel a little like I'm cursed, but there is nothing I can do about it other then pray for change. I'm making a concerted effort not to be a victim, to choose my responses to things, and I've chosen not to practise, I try to keep myself occupied so I dont feel lonely and depressed...I do all that I can to keep charge of myself and my feelings...and thats really where I am today.
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I was brought up in a small farming/ranching community in Alberta,Canada. I have one older brother. My parents weren't christian but I had a few Aunts/Uncles, and Grandparents who were and I believe to this day were praying for me. The thing with small towns in Canada is that you usually only have a few choices for churches and they usually are the United Church, Catholic, or Luthern. We had a united church and for those that don't know about this church they are very liberal and do not teach sound theology.

The church was usually full of old people, moms and some kids. The dads were missing and only came on the holiday events:Christmas & easter. We went as kids and my mom even taught sunday school, but when we were at home there was no relationship or talk of Jesus. It was a very religious thing to do to be involved in the local church. As i got older i was involved with a youth group from a luthern church from another town. I was only there for the girls and didn't get any closer to God. I was even confirmed in the United Church and didn't really get anything out of it. The biggest thing was that there was no one really close to our family that was living any differently or telling anyone about who God really is. When I started playing hockey,going to church was the last thing i wanted to do as alot of the games were played on Sundays.

My first experience with porn was when I was eight and it dominated my life until I was saved by God. My first experience with alcohol was when I was about 11 and it also was a big part of my life until I was saved. The rest of my life was about the next party and the next girl I could try and sleep with. The longer I lived like this the more my life was slowly heading down to hell. My sexual sin eventually got a girl pregnant, started living with her and she had an abortion. The guilt that weighed on me for getting a girl pregnant, not having the baby and taking the easy way out was enormous. I was at the lowest point in my life that i had ever been. But it was not at this time that God reached me.

During this time God was working in my family. My brother became a christian and eventually met his future wife. I was blessed to be his best man in the wedding. Now I have been a best man 3 other times and a groomsman once. At all these other weddings the celebration was not about God or the union of man/wife it was about the party and having a good time. Well at my brothers wedding there was no alcohol and no dancing. His wifes parents were a bit legalistic. But because the focus was completely on Jesus and his blessing on these two people, God spoke to me and said to me "see what I have done for your brother, I want to do the same for you." It wasn't an audible voice but God speaking within me.

God knew that I still had alot of questions, so the next day he directed me to a local Chapters book store and showed me two books. The Case for Christ and the Case for Faith by Lee Strobel. Now I had only herd of these books from my brother sometime before this but I knew the names of each and the author. Only by Gods direction did I know where to find them. I read both books back to back and in Nov of 2001 i asked for Gods forgiveness and repented of my sins.

I was always concerned with becoming a christian because I knew my life would change but I did not anticipate how great the change would be. Only by Gods grace i have been allowed to be involved in leading youth in bible study, playing in a worship band, getting married to the girl of my dreams, having our first son about 41/2 months ago and the friends I have now are all blessings that out weigh anything that I could have ever wanted. Both my parents are now christian and regularly attend a local evangelical church. It's awesome.

Today the one sin that still plagues me is sexual sin:porn,masturbation etc. I battle against it everyday. Either from my own flesh to the devils temptation with thoughts, images on the internet etc. I have had times of freedom from it and times that I still fall. It has been a slow process with my hearts desire to change on this issue and I pray each day will be the last I have those desires and only desire my wife.


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I've been brought up Christian, by parents who were involved in the revival in York. As I understand it my Father was brought up Christian by his Mother, but my Mother was not Christian and neither were either of her parents. Father was senior in the york Christian Union and nearly made President in his final year..Mother began going to a Brethren Church, very strict, and she converted. Whereupon she went home and told her parents they were going to Hell.

Her Mother went back to Christianity after a troubled upbringing involving a Catholic Boarding school and a devorce, and her Father later converted after a service in Lincoln Cathedral...he would go on to be one of the most powerful prayer warriors in our Church.

My first explicit commitment to Christ took place in the early 90s when my Father was ordained a Minister in Secular Employment for the Church of England and my Mother broke a statue of a little boy in a huge hand. Seeing the level of hurt it broght a stoic woman who never expressed feelings was shocking to me. My parents were both big in Saint Georges, my Mother was involved in prayer counselling, but that ended sourly, then I came along and she was depressed, but she eventually came out of it and took over as an administrator after the Priest at the time had a breakdown, until the inter-regnum was over.

I flourished in the Church because I could sing, and I could play the Clarinet, I also loved the sort of spritual debating that would happen in the Youth Groups. But then my Grandfather died of secondary cancer, years after having bowel cancer. It was the first family death I had experienced, and I abandoned christianity because I didnt believe in the afterlife...I couldnt. His wife brought me a tape at Christmas of that year, a meditation by Terry Oldfield called "De Profundis" on Psalm 130, out of the depths. It was that which helpped me eventually come back to Christ after a year, but on my own faith.

Things seemed to be going alright until I then hit puberty and discovered that I had a devient streak in my sexuality. At first I hid it, then later I told my family, and they took it realllllllllllly badly. So I didnt tell anyone else. Instead I went into cycles of self harm.

By now I was at Univeristy and for the first time I was living in a multi-cultural environment. I suddenly came up against Islamic Friends, and it made me question, I spent a long time as a Platonic Universalist. I had such a heart for others I couldnt bear the thought of someone I knew dying and not being in paradise. But when I tried to be a Unitarian...it wasnt working, It was too lose. It dawned on me then, that we really were in a war, and people really would not make it.

I did my searching during this phase between the denominations of Christianity, to find something I could connect to. I started with house churches because they were the most, informal, and the most tollerant, but they hosted alpha, and I had a nasty experience on the away weekend, which left me feeling very down. The Alpha course is a course thats supposed to introduce people to Christianity by study of a pauline text. It involves a meal, a video by the producer of the course, and then a spiritual discussion. The away weekend focuses on the Holy Spirit and there includes a miniature invokation...EVERYONE else received something...apart from me. I felt so embarrised and stupid, and I felt rejected and hated by GOD for the first time. I tried the pentecostal church, but they locked me in for an invokation and I got really frightened...Frightened, when all the other Christians were having fun...then it dawned on me...perhaps I wasnt a Christian after all..and perhaps that was because of my lingering sexual issue.

My parents had tried everything from counselling, the Christian Charities set up to help gays. but what stopped me from practising was the day that my Mother and me argued and she used a passage from Dueteronomy about choosing life, or choosing death. I was told it was a choice, and later that afternoon we ended up surounded by people in church who wore jumpers and clothes...and the same words kept appearing "choose life" My Mother scoffed that GOD doesnt usually make it that blunt!

All through University I had avoided the social clubs, I had never practised, telling myself the feeling wasnt sinful, but the action was. In my final year the stress got too much and I had a viscious self harm accident. that triggered my anxiety dissorder. This dissorder was the worst thing in the world, chronic dizziness, chronic headaches, visual distortions, myclonic dystonic Tremours...this was STRESS, clinical stress...and noone would believe me that I was ill, except for a few Christians. They looked after me and I made a nearly complete recovery...until I left University and went to Saint Paul's Cathedral

The Lay Community was designed to be a sheltered period of time where one could decide what one wanted to do with ones life, whilst working in the church, doing an MA and living in a community. But just as I entered, there was a leadership change...and the new director of the Community was just incompetant. He had not selected the people and he offered us no help. In that first year Two people were diagnosed with clinical depression, one with chronic back pains, and one was kicked out of the house after threatening to kill someone. my Symptoms came back...and although the Cathedral told me it didnt matter, I got depressed, and began on anti-depressants.

When I started to feel better I used the excuse that GOD had given me a second chance to live, so I should waste it..and I began to practise homosexuality, for well over a year. Meanwhile although I had discovered my niche with high Anglicanism, I was about to abandon the Church. Some people in the Cathedral launched an attack, to try and get me removed from my office. They made up lies and the assult continued for about 8 months, it forever damaged my view of the Church

So much...I now do not believe there is One Faith and One Church...I believe there is THE faith, and THE Church...and I was through with THE latter. I didnt begin attending a church in Harrogate til late last year.

Then I was forced up to Harrogate, and started on this Forum. Over time I learned from some of the Christians on here that practise was wrong, although they eventually shut me down and removed me as Moderator of the Christian Section for simply feeling homosexual, the condemnation was really about the practise, and I stopped. I'm learning not to put myself under the social lables of "homosexual" or "gay" but..the feelings of same sexed attraction have never gone away.

Now I am just lonely and cold...I still feel a little like I'm cursed, but there is nothing I can do about it other then pray for change. I'm making a concerted effort not to be a victim, to choose my responses to things, and I've chosen not to practise, I try to keep myself occupied so I dont feel lonely and depressed...I do all that I can to keep charge of myself and my feelings...and thats really where I am today.
OMFG!

That is HORRIBLE! What wretched creatures would ever treat you with such horrible disdain, and treat you as less of a person because you are a homosexual and because of what you do in your own privacy with consenting adults? If this is Christianity is all about, I am PROUDLY and defiantly NOT a Christian! I feel liberated from such foolish and bigoted beliefs as an Atheist (there is no need for a god), but if you're still interested in the comfort and ritual of Christianity there are many churches that have joined the 21st Century and openly welcome homosexuals. At least there are in my neighborhood (Minneapolis, MN).

Seriously brother... life is too short to go through hating yourself because of they way you were born or letting other people disrespect you.

It is absolutely abysmal how both religious and secular people and institutions have treated homosexuals over the years. If you're interested, read the story of Alan Turing [1]... one of the founding fathers of computer science. Sexual preference is just ONE characteristic of who you are. It is your personal and private domain. It does not have to meet the requirements or demands of any bronze age mythological book or bigoted societal norms. You can achieve great things in life, no matter what your sexual preference is. I'm not saying that you should go out and have risky sex with thousands of partners, but I wouldn't recommend that to a heterosexual person either. First learn to love and respect yourself [2] and then once you've mastered that, go out and find a partner to share your love with. If you are both good with children and want to start a family... go ahead and adopt. A child raised in a loving household by same sex partners won't know the difference and will hopefully have the bigotry of anti-homosexuality removed from our future generations.

They're the ones with the problem. Not you!

Live your life in such a way as to minimize harm to all beings and you shall be rewarded in this lifetime.



[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing


[2] You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection. -- Buddha

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1) That is HORRIBLE! What wretched creatures would ever treat you with such horrible disdain, and treat you as less of a person because you are a homosexual and because of what you do in your own privacy with consenting adults?

2) If this is Christianity is all about, I am PROUDLY and defiantly NOT a Christian! I feel liberated from such foolish and bigoted beliefs as an Atheist (there is no need for a god).

3) But if you're still interested in the comfort and ritual of Christianity there are many churches that have joined the 21st Century and openly welcome homosexuals. At least there are in my neighborhood (Minneapolis, MN).

4) Seriously brother... life is too short to go through hating yourself because of they way you were born or letting other people disrespect you.

5) It is absolutely abysmal how both religious and secular people and institutions have treated homosexuals over the years.

6) They're the ones with the problem. Not you!

Live your life in such a way as to minimize harm to all beings and you shall be rewarded in this lifetime.
1) Anything minority or slightly taboo at some time has been treated badly. Some of the Militant Gays arent exactly nice in response. Its a fact that people and the world is fallen. People are not perfect. I can accept that and whilst I dont like being on the receiving end of any predjudice, I dont base my joy in what others say to me, or do to me.

2) The problem with Non Christians is they think anything that shows sin in the Christians writes off the whole Religion. The Church is fallen, just like any other institution. Dont assume for one moment that Christians are perfect. If they were, then they would have no need of Salvation would they? Christians often treat others bad, the Church often burns the innocent. This is another sign of living in a world full of sin. You cant hide from the truth by writing off the Church and Christianity because its made of sinful people...we dont claim to be perfect.

3) There are liberal Churches who accept Homosexuals to an extent, but what you fail to follow is, I dont want to be a Homosexual. I dont want a church that accepts me for sinning. That might provide comfort to some...but I've lived with that false comfort, pretending its alright to practise...when its not, and deep down I KNOW its not. I'd rather be rejected everywhere I go and live a real life, then be accepted by all and live in a fantasy world.

4) I dont "hate" myself. I dislike being a homosexual, and I want rid of it so I can have a real family. There is no proof that you are Born sexualized in anyway. Maybe thats true, maybe its just a conditioned response...probably its a bit of both. But I am not to be classified by my Sexuality at any rate, so I no longer care what it is.

5) That is true. Everyone should have the freedom to live as they see fit. But I tell you the truth, those who live by the sword will die by it. I have no intention of going to Hell. Whilst I think that locking homosexuals up, or hanging them is repulsive...I think that allowing soddomy to take place is evil also. All fall short of the Glory of GOD, and at the end of the day a sin is a sin, and we all sin. I might be a homosexual...but i'm sure others are compulsive liars, or theifs...or perhaps they are just bloody fugly people alltogether. Its allright, because Christ can accept you where you are and change you from there...you dont need to wait to be perfect first. Thank GOD

6) Well indeed. But I have a choice as to how I respond.

7) Who cares about a short life on earth? I dont care if I have a good or shytty life on Earth, because the Eternal Heaven is a FAR longer existance. I'd rather suffer short now, and live long later, then live short now and suffer long later.

I dont do Humanism, or Taoism...you cant reach perfection on your own, dont bother trying, you waste your time treating others kindly without knowing the standard of the test is Perfect...even Budhism recognises thats not likely, hence their belief in the eternal re-incarnation...sadly...you wont get a second chance. This is the test. Fail, and you shall die both deaths....and without Christ, you cant pass. Thats fundemental...you cant pass unless your perfect...and you are not perfect.
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1)Sexual preference is just ONE characteristic of who you are. It is your personal and private domain. It does not have to meet the requirements or demands of any bronze age mythological book or bigoted societal norms.

2) You can achieve great things in life, no matter what your sexual preference is. I'm not saying that you should go out and have risky sex with thousands of partners, but I wouldn't recommend that to a heterosexual person either.

3) First learn to love and respect yourself [2] and then once you've mastered that, go out and find a partner to share your love with. If you are both good with children and want to start a family... go ahead and adopt. A child raised in a loving household by same sex partners won't know the difference and will hopefully have the bigotry of anti-homosexuality removed from our future generations.
1) There is nothing Hidden from The Lord. There is no such thing as a "personal and private domain" from him...and thats what I care about. I care about what he sees when he looks at me. He tells me what he wants in his Word. Its not a mythical book full of bigoted norms...its the wishes of a King. Rex Caelestis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iNRYxgmA5g

He has the right to excersise his authority. He's a dictator....but he would rather I do what he says out of my own doing, then he force me. He wont force me to do anything...but he will judge me on what I do...the clever person will therefore do what he says to avoid trouble in the long run. He does usually know best anyway

2) I try

3) I dont want a partner, I want a wife...I dont want to adopt, I want my own real little babies
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OK, then.

Enjoy your anti-depressants and feelings of worthlessness.
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OK, then.

Enjoy your anti-depressants and feelings of worthlessness.
wasnt the answer you wanted was it.

I dont feel worthless....the Anti-Depressants are primarily to solve my ANXIETY disorder, not to directly treat Depression

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wasnt the answer you wanted was it.

I dont feel worthless....the Anti-Depressants are primarily to solve my ANXIETY disorder, not to directly treat Depression

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Originally Posted by foggy
OMFG!

That is HORRIBLE! What wretched creatures would ever treat you with such horrible disdain, and treat you as less of a person because you are a homosexual and because of what you do in your own privacy with consenting adults? If this is Christianity is all about, I am PROUDLY and defiantly NOT a Christian! I feel liberated from such foolish and bigoted beliefs as an Atheist (there is no need for a god), but if you're still interested in the comfort and ritual of Christianity there are many churches that have joined the 21st Century and openly welcome homosexuals. At least there are in my neighborhood (Minneapolis, MN).

Seriously brother... life is too short to go through hating yourself because of they way you were born or letting other people disrespect you.

It is absolutely abysmal how both religious and secular people and institutions have treated homosexuals over the years. If you're interested, read the story of Alan Turing [1]... one of the founding fathers of computer science. Sexual preference is just ONE characteristic of who you are. It is your personal and private domain. It does not have to meet the requirements or demands of any bronze age mythological book or bigoted societal norms. You can achieve great things in life, no matter what your sexual preference is. I'm not saying that you should go out and have risky sex with thousands of partners, but I wouldn't recommend that to a heterosexual person either. First learn to love and respect yourself [2] and then once you've mastered that, go out and find a partner to share your love with. If you are both good with children and want to start a family... go ahead and adopt. A child raised in a loving household by same sex partners won't know the difference and will hopefully have the bigotry of anti-homosexuality removed from our future generations.

They're the ones with the problem. Not you!

Live your life in such a way as to minimize harm to all beings and you shall be rewarded in this lifetime.



[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing


[2] You, yourself, as much as anybody in the entire universe, deserve your love and affection. -- Buddha

First off, lets get something clear, you are not atheist. thats not possible, to be atheist you have to KNOW that there is no God, and since if he showed up right now you would be on your face repenting, that makes you agnostic. Simply put, you would soon believe if it was proven to you, so there is no such thing as an atheist.

Secondly, you claim that a child brought up in a same sex household will not notice the difference, I guess that you dont have children yourself, or that you have really had litle to know contact with children. On top of that how do you propose that these same sex couples have children??? since we are fundermentally not designed to mate with the same sex.

You talk of judgement yet you yourself have done that very thing in judging christians simply for making a stand, I dont agree that the people that treated Dave badly were in the right, and I happen to be good friends with Dave myself, and dont believe that he should be treated badly at all. Believing that homosexuality is a sin and against God does not make me judgmental, hate the sin love the sinner, and Dave will tell you that I have had my runs in with him over the past 3 or so years about all kinds of stuff, but he is still a friend.

Bottom line I personally do agree with homosexuality, I dont belive that we were designed that way and I dont think that it i acceptable, you are intitled to your opinion, but I would appreciate it if you didnt come in to the Christian section and bash christians, there are plenty of other forums that you can go spread your opinion.

If you are really interested in learning about what it is and why it is that chirstians believe then by all means stick around. But dont come judging us all by the mistakes of the few.

No one said that christians were perfect, I know I am not and I know I make mistakes, but all the same, dont cast off christianity as a result of a small group of people.
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