How low can Obama go??

[BradW]

Originally Posted by PRShrek

I was referring to the sentiment generally. You would of course know better than I would whether what I said applies to you.

so tell me then...who are you going to defeat in order to win the war on terror ?

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by BradW

so tell me then...who are you going to defeat in order to win the war on terror ?

I think he may have meant the war that we are in at the moment. Not the 'war on terror' in general.


Even if he isn't, you are beating a hornet's nest.

[BradW]

Originally Posted by Neezar

I think he may have meant the war that we are in at the moment. Not the 'war on terror' in general.

oh,so if you win the war you are in at the moment then terrorists will be no more...didn't realize the solution was so simple.
carry on then.

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by BradW

oh,so if you win the war you are in at the moment then terrorists will be no more...didn't realize the solution was so simple.
carry on then.

No. Are you willfully being obtuse? Terrorism will never go away. Just like crime will never go away. That's why I think he was referring to the particular war that we are in right now. He misworded something and you pounced....like a bully. Imagine that!

[rearnakedchoke]

Originally Posted by Neezar

No. Are you willfully being obtuse? Terrorism will never go away. Just like crime will never go away. That's why I think he was referring to the particular war that we are in right now. He misworded something and you pounced....like a bully. Imagine that!

jeez brad .. we already have one canadian on this forum that people are used to being difficult .. don't let them know that we are all like this .....

[PRShrek]

Originally Posted by Neezar

No. Are you willfully being obtuse? Terrorism will never go away. Just like crime will never go away. That's why I think he was referring to the particular war that we are in right now. He misworded something and you pounced....like a bully. Imagine that!

I didn’t miss-word anything, and I’m not sure he pounced so much as sulked like a butt hurt weasel.

When I said we should win the war I meant we should break all their toys, turn over their sand box and crush their dreams, total annihilation is not required. We whupped fascism like it was Frank Trigg, yet fascism still exists. Same for the KKK, soviet communism, the Mafia, and Jimmy Carter.

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by rev

I hope you're right brother. I hope you're right.

So do I

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by PRShrek

With the current leadership, no.

However, it was possible to defeat the Klan in the South and Fascism in Europe, to think these things are not possible requires historical ignorance or a defeatist attitude or both.

You cant defeat Terrorism because the only way to do it is to remove freedom completely.

Whilst you let freedom rule, you run the risk of rebellion.

The problem with Terrorism is that its an extreme form of gurilla warfare. We arent using the olde battlefield model anymore, and it only take one single human being to be determined enough. Even in the unorthodox style of battles before there has always been a target, a physical structure to distroy...Terrorism can be done by a single person, who just one day wakes up and decides to hurt someone...look at the guy who this very week is on trial in the baltic for killing all those students at a political get away on that island in scandinavia. He pretty much decided he was going to kill them all, got the resources, and off he went.

Not even America can stop that sort of thing happening.

Contrary to popular US opinion, the "war on terror" did not start in 2001...in one way or another its been going on for millenia (albiet mainly state sponsored) Even in terms of strategic studies, its been around as a component since the 1700s as an aid to battlefield orthodoxy.

In the future it will get worse, why? coz the society we live in gets more relativistic, the morals get more looosed, and the technology gets more advanced.

It was a foolish title to have used, and one that particular administration came to regret because the very essence of the claim is quite what irritates some to action...not to mention naughty states jumping on the bandwagon for political purposes...ive seen states do that several times, which is deplorable and takes a mild issue and blows it all out of proportion.

Incidently...who claims Facism has been distroyed in Europe To the best of my knowledge the Russians are still prevelent, re-invading areas they think belong to them, or turning on and off power supplies to former members of the USSR, the Balkans are still as unstable as they were before...someone uttered that Serbia is going to become part of some other country soon, or something, will they NEVER learn? oh, and one of the Butchers of Bosnia is at the hague this week charged with crimes against humanity. Iran is STILL playing silly buggers with its atomic project, Israel and Palestine are still winding each other up out of spite and petty point scoring, Syria is still using deadly force against protestors to halt the arab spring in its country, ceasefire or no ceasefire. Greece is about a month away for civil war, the Euro single currency probably wont be around by Christmas, England is back in recession. The mass gunman is being taken to court in the baltic...and do we want to talk about the German Chancellors hunger in the European Union, or the socialist French President whose about to piss on everyones parade at the G8 in washington soon?

Iraq is not doing quite as badly as everyone suspected, Afghanistan not as good as everyone had hoped. There is talk of a European Army, I havent heard from the north atlantic treaty organisation since the start of this year...and where the hell is the United Nations...is it in recess already??

We're all under austerity budgits and mass nationalization of assets that would make any American constituionalist cringe.

Still...at least Adolf Hitlers dead hey

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by PRShrek

We whupped fascism like it was Frank Trigg,.

"we" ? You mean you helpped...better late then never one supposes with the Germans...but as for the Russians, dont fool yourself...winning because the other team implodes of their own accord doesnt mean you "whupped" them

Have any of you even realized what happened last week in Russia?? Do you guys have no opinion on Vladamir Putin...who just jumps roles to stay in power through bogus ellections...supported by Fedor Emelianenko no less Why at one of his battles about a year ago (one he actually won ) the Russian President himself graced the ring to bring him his reward...the crowd was so thunderous apparently selective editing of the background chants had to take place. Me thinks they were rather unkind about poor Vlad

[Tyburn]

After being President for sooooooo long, Putin had to take time out to be prime minister before he could become President again...as he did last week. look where his ellection campaign took him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Bt0q4tk_Q

Incidently...Fedor had just beaten an American... How very...Russian...of him (not that Vald looked confident that Fedor would win during the fight as you can see ) (yes that is the same two seconds of applause you hear in the audio track...its all that they could manage to keep bearing in mind the rest of the applause was made up of vocalizations against Putins re-ellection campaign )