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Default Ken Shamrock Admits Past TRT Use, Says Its Use Is Different Than Steroids

This is a recap of the other half of Ariel's interview with Ken on Monday's edition of the MMA Hour (posted Part I here: http://www.matt-hughes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9316). From MMAFighting.com:

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Mar 21, 2012 - When it comes to PED's in mixed martial arts, the new battleground is testosterone replacement therapy. Among those who have received therapeutic use exemptions for the treatment are Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, Dan Henderson, Chael Sonnen and Nate Marquardt.

The hot-button topic doesn't seem likely to disappear anytime soon. As MMA pioneer Ken Shamrock recently pointed out, athletes searching for an edge or in some cases, to level the playing field, is no new phenomenon. On Monday's edition of The MMA Hour, Shamrock admitted his own past use of TRT, and though he wouldn't specify a time period for his use, said that in his experience, the treatment has little to do with generating great success.

"The one thing I realized over the years is that that doesn't make you an athlete," he said. "The fact is, I think that's what some people have been trying to explain to people for so long. It doesn't make you hit a baseball. You have to have the reaction time, you have to have hand-eye coordination, you have to have the fundamentals, you have to be a great athlete to do that, to be able to hit a 100 miles per hour fastball out of the park. Enhancements don't do that for you. Same with football or anything like that. You have to already be an athlete. You have to have that already."

On the other hand, Shamrock, who is 28-15-2 in a career that's spanned over 18 years, acknowledged that the hormone replacement which can delay the effects of normal aging does offer an edge to its users.

He offered a "chicken or egg" theory that some of those who have embraced the treatment are doing so out of fear that their opponents are gaining an advantage on them, necessitating them to seek out the same therapy.

"It's not fair for a guy to have to compete for his job against a guy who is using it," he said. "But how are you going to ban it? That's the question. They’re not legitimately trying to test to keep it out of sports. My opinion is, if they were going to do this all the way across the board, our sports would be better, our athletes would be healthier. They wouldn't go through so much trauma on their bodies. The bottom line is, it’s been going on for too long, and they haven't legitimately tried to keep it out."

Shamrock does make some differentiation between steroids and hormones. In his opinion, steroids should never be used, but has a different outlook on hormones due to the fact that they are naturally occurring in the human body.

As he noted, age management clinics are popping up throughout the country, allowing even the population at large to receive legal treatment that delays the onset of the normal aging process.

That type of therapy would prove to be beneficial for fighters, Shamrock said, as long as athlete's levels are regulated within normal ranges. TRT is supposed to function that way, but Shamrock has his doubts about the way it is monitored. That's why he believes it should be all or nothing. Either everyone should be able to do it within fair levels, or it should be completely against the rules.

"Believe me, I’m not pro or con," he said. "What I'm saying is, if we're going to do this, then it needs to be done all the way across the board, otherwise people's dreams will be shattered because someone else is able to do it."

The MMA pioneer said he doesn't yet consider himself retired though he hasn't fought since Nov. 2010. He's still willing to compete if he gets offered a fight that he believes fans will be interested in seeing.

But it's the same fans, he believes, that are complicit in the surge of PED use in MMA and sports in general.

"If you're being truthful and you're coming out and absolutely speaking the truth, the bottom line is that’s what we’re faced with and it isn’t going to change anytime soon," he said. "You know why? They don't want it. They want the home runs, They want the hard hits. Listen man, if you could take the sports and make them even all the way across the board, I think every single athlete in world would love that. Would love it. Because they'd know going in they don't have to do anything to follow their dreams. They don't have to do any of that stuff. Because they'd know across the board they don't have to worry about that. The bottom line is, that's just not the way it is."
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Not to single out Dan Henderson, I know he has a great deal of talent and works very hard, but his last two wins illustrate the point very well. Both were against ageing legends (one could say candidates for 'age management' themselves), and both were touch and go affairs that could easily have gone the other way. It leaves open the question of whether his edge against Maurício and Fedor was not entirely his own.
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But it's the same fans, he believes, that are complicit in the surge of PED use in MMA and sports in general.
So it's the fan's fault? Riiiight.

Just my 2 cents but his words are a massive rationalization.

I think it's pretty obvious that he used PEDs as well, in those earlier fights he looks almost like a caricature of himself.
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But it's the same fans, he believes, that are complicit in the surge of PED use in MMA and sports in general.
So it's the fan's fault? Riiiight.

Just my 2 cents but his words are a massive rationalization.

I think it's pretty obvious that he used PEDs as well, in those early fights he looks almost like a caricature of himself.
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Not to single out Dan Henderson, I know he has a great deal of talent and works very hard, but his last two wins illustrate the point very well. Both were against ageing legends (one could say candidates for 'age management' themselves), and both were touch and go affairs that could easily have gone the other way. It leaves open the question of whether his edge against Maurício and Fedor was not entirely his own.
yes .... trt gives the user an advantage, plain and simple ... that is why you won't see guys who are on trt fight in the states that are hard on it like NV, NJ and PA (i think) ...
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Not that Shamrock being a moron is real news to anyone, but Testosterone IS A STEROID. You can't say that TRT is OK and Steroids should be banned. The only real difference is that TRT is supposedly under a doctor's prescription and levels are monitored through blood tests.
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I can't stand Shamrock. He has been hit one too many times in the head.....
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Honestly...... who cares?
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So it's the fan's fault? Riiiight.

Just my 2 cents but his words are a massive rationalization.

I think it's pretty obvious that he used PEDs as well, in those early fights he looks almost like a caricature of himself.
I agree with this 100%. The whole "this is what the fans want!" excuse is bull: the fans don't want you juicing, the fans want to see the peak human performance.
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: laugh:
I've never seen anyone contradict themselves so quickly or so often. Wow. This was the same argument that the media kept giving for the Bonds/Canseco/Sosa/McGwire driven steroid era of baseball, "it doesn't make you hit a ball you have to have hand-eye coordination." well, if you hit a ball and weight 50lbs more of muscle its probably going to go further, I think.
I wont even get into the "testeosterone is not a steroid" ignorance, wow. at least know what you "used to" put into your body. But, I'm sure his WWE days were "all natural"
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