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kos lost one round to pierce .... he didn't give it a 100% and still won ... fitch beat alves twice who some say is a decent striker .. he drew with BJ who loves to strike and has ko'd some people .. diaz ain't on the level of these guys .. he is better off sticking to non-contact sports like triathlons and mountain biking ........
For the zillionth time he lost rds 1,2 to Pierce and also had 2 eyepokes.. Don't get me started.. I won't shutup on this topic it's very friggin personal!!!!!!! :
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fitch beat alves twice who some say is a decent striker .. he drew with BJ who loves to strike and has ko'd some people .. diaz ain't on the level of these guys .. he is better off sticking to non-contact sports like triathlons and mountain biking ........
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just read this ... looks like they are trying to use big words to get out of it .. LOL .. this would probably work in cali though ... the fact remains that marijuana is banned, nick says he smoked up to 8 days before, and his test came back positive ... also, i don't think the fact that he has a license to burn matters if he didn't apply for a exemption ..
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just read this ... looks like they are trying to use big words to get out of it .. LOL .. this would probably work in cali though ... the fact remains that marijuana is banned, nick says he smoked up to 8 days before, and his test came back positive ... also, i don't think the fact that he has a license to burn matters if he didn't apply for a exemption ..
The point his lawyer is making is that he didn't come back positive for THC, but rather for a inactive metabolite. Meaning that a) it wasn't something which would have had an effect on him during the fight (since it's inactive) & b) it's not a banned substance.

It'd be like if I had a beer 8 days before the fight & then got DQed 'cause I had a beer gut during the fight!
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The point his lawyer is making is that he didn't come back positive for THC, but rather for a inactive metabolite. Meaning that a) it wasn't something which would have had an effect on him during the fight (since it's inactive) & b) it's not a banned substance.

It'd be like if I had a beer 8 days before the fight & then got DQed 'cause I had a beer gut during the fight!
i don't know if that is a good example what you gave ... the wada list for weed doesn't say anything about inactive metabolites ... just says natural weed and synthetic thc is not permitted in competition .. if nick is testing positive for any metabolite, it means he didn't stop smoking in time ..
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he drew with BJ who loves to strike and has ko'd some people .. diaz ain't on the level of these guys ..
Um you are aware that Nick beat BJ right? So how is Nick not on BJ's level
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Um you are aware that Nick beat BJ right? So how is Nick not on BJ's level
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i don't know if that is a good example what you gave ... the wada list for weed doesn't say anything about inactive metabolites ... just says natural weed and synthetic thc is not permitted in competition ..

Haha, yeah, I knew that was a bad example, but it made me giggle when it popped into my head, so I posted it anyhow.

I see where you (and the NSAC) are coming from: the metabolite may not be banned, but it’s an indicator that he smoked weed, therefore it counts as weed & he’s now banned. Nick’s lawyer, however, is doing a lawyer’s job: finding the loophole. Regardless of the spirit of the law (which you & the NSAC are abiding by), the letter of the law does not expressly forbid the metabolite, therefore Nick can’t be suspended for having the metabolite in his system.

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if nick is testing positive for any metabolite, it means he didn't stop smoking in time ..

Just wanted to break this one bit out because the wording happened to catch my attention (sorry, this is going to be a boring, semantics-driven hold over from my philosophy days that really bears very little weight in the overall picture):

“Didn’t stop smoking in time” … for what? In time for any traces of the marijuana to dissipate? Clearly not. But in time for the effects of the marijuana to dissipate? I would argue he did wait long enough, since only an inactive substance was found.

Like I said, pointless little side tangent that caught my attention.
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Haha, yeah, I knew that was a bad example, but it made me giggle when it popped into my head, so I posted it anyhow.

I see where you (and the NSAC) are coming from: the metabolite may not be banned, but it’s an indicator that he smoked weed, therefore it counts as weed & he’s now banned. Nick’s lawyer, however, is doing a lawyer’s job: finding the loophole. Regardless of the spirit of the law (which you & the NSAC are abiding by), the letter of the law does not expressly forbid the metabolite, therefore Nick can’t be suspended for having the metabolite in his system.


Just wanted to break this one bit out because the wording happened to catch my attention (sorry, this is going to be a boring, semantics-driven hold over from my philosophy days that really bears very little weight in the overall picture):

“Didn’t stop smoking in time” … for what? In time for any traces of the marijuana to dissipate? Clearly not. But in time for the effects of the marijuana to dissipate? I would argue he did wait long enough, since only an inactive substance was found.

Like I said, pointless little side tangent that caught my attention.
yeah, it was his lawyer and i think cesar who said nick always stops smoking 8 days to let whatever out of his system .. he says he hasn't tested positive since the gomi fight, so he figured 8 days would work .. either his "cleansing" process is off or he didn't really stop smoking 8 days in advance ..

i think though a lot of this has to do with the levels of weed in his system .. and i don't think nsac has released those .. if they were low, then he will and should get off .. if they are high and that number can be extrapolated to deduce he had smoked close to the fight, then he won't get off ..

if you can win an olympic gold medal with weed in your system (ross rebagliati in salt lake i think) and get off saying you were around people who smoked it, then nick should be able to get off this.
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Old 03-14-2012, 09:12 PM
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Um you are aware that Nick beat BJ right? So how is Nick not on BJ's level
yeah, if i were a bj nuthugger, i'd also hope that nick was on the level of the rest of the fighters in the ww division
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