Letter from Lorenzo to Congress

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

I know, right? It's so totally inappropriate for them to attempt to better their company! See, they don't understand the rest of the world. If they want to be globally loved, they've gotta become socialists & cow-tow to the lowest common denominator.

Its inappropriate of them to do so at your expense. Or perhaps you dont mind being suppressed. Let me tell you something. Their company is not based on them, it is based on us.

You wouldnt understand the term "Socialist" if it hit you right in the face...because this week it did...and here YOU are defending a selfish capitalist who aided your government in trying to put you under the same restraints online as The Peoples Republic of China.

If you understood that Communism didnt work, and all the Orient runs on is a worse form of capitalistic elite then the US, you would see how encouraging this sort of selfish money grabbing fantasy (that assumes that the one at the top is the person who keeps the company afloat) you would see the two systems are pretty much the same except for severity.

A rich elite, who will further themselves at all cost against the mass poor. For pure selfish gain. Not that you could ever accuse Lorenzo of doing EXACTLY that with the letter. No Lorenzo was just acting in the best interests of the company...and sod the rest of you Americans...litterally...if he and the Government had been successful.

Why dont you go visit him and shake his hand for doing his capitalistic best to destroy your liberties. I'm sure he'll appreciate that, if he cares to recognise and acknowledge you at all...after all who are we to him. Who are we to any of these multimillion pound companies Perhaps you could start a Lorenzo appreciation society

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by County Mike

Can you believe these guys? Trying to be capitalists in America! How dare they! They should give away half of their earnings to a bunch of people who've done nothing to earn it.

Noone is saying that piracy is morally alright. but to support a bill that would see YOU without the liberties you cherp on about all day and all night. Is a step to far.

Anything taken to access is a polutant, that includes Capitalism. In this case Lorenzo should have just kept quietly fighting people directly in conflict with him in court...rather then professing to the entire world that the UFC is far more important to him that a three and a half centuries old constitution that is supposed to tell you definative rules of living

Damn right how dare they! They can capitalise all they want, so long as it doesnt violate the rights of the average american on the street...the moment they over step that boundary...whether they be ellected politicians, or high flying businessmen, they should be deplored for their actions, whether Republican, Liberal, capitalist, or commie...it makes not matter. If they are Americans and they act unconstiutionally then you should not be supporting or vouching for them.

I shouldnt have to point that out to you.

[VCURamFan]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

Its inappropriate of them to do so at your expense. Or perhaps you dont mind being suppressed. Let me tell you something. Their company is not based on them, it is based on us.

You wouldnt understand the term "Socialist" if it hit you right in the face...because this week it did...and here YOU are defending a selfish capitalist who aided your government in trying to put you under the same restraints online as The Peoples Republic of China.

If you understood that Communism didnt work, and all the Orient runs on is a worse form of capitalistic elite then the US, you would see how encouraging this sort of selfish money grabbing fantasy (that assumes that the one at the top is the person who keeps the company afloat) you would see the two systems are pretty much the same except for severity.

A rich elite, who will further themselves at all cost against the mass poor. For pure selfish gain. Not that you could ever accuse Lorenzo of doing EXACTLY that with the letter. No Lorenzo was just acting in the best interests of the company...and sod the rest of you Americans...litterally...if he and the Government had been successful.

Why dont you go visit him and shake his hand for doing his capitalistic best to destroy your liberties. I'm sure he'll appreciate that, if he cares to recognise and acknowledge you at all...after all who are we to him. Who are we to any of these multimillion pound companies Perhaps you could start a Lorenzo appreciation society

Dave, I am fully behind you in my outrage against SOPA & PIPA. That doesn't mean that I'm joining your crusade against the UFC's management. If you want to get back to our discussion of replacing the "corrupt officials", then I invite you to answer the question I left you with & we can pick up where we left off.

As for Lorenzo's letter, I think it was mis-guided, but much like the author of the article, I fully understand why he mistakenly thought it was a good idea: he wants to shut down the piracy that's stealing money from him (whether it's "tens of millions" like he claims, or just in the thousands, or even if it was $5). Socialism & Communism, Dave, are economic systems which, in their most basic form, declare that there is no personal property & all must be shared equally. Lorenzo is fighting to avoid exactly that.

What I disagree with is the censorship, not the motivation (copyright protection). Just because a socialist country employs rampant censorship does not mean that anyone who censors is a socialist. They don't own the monopoly on that.

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

As for Lorenzo's letter, I think it was mis-guided, but much like the author of the article, I fully understand why he mistakenly thought it was a good idea:

Which person doesnt check their facts as a multimillionaire before publically doing what he did.

Now he's not just wrong...he's stupid

I'm just really dissapointed Ben...I thought Lorenzo was one of the better ones at the top...I'm so dissapointed he made this kinda mistake

...and I already said...Randy Couture for President ahahahaha

[VCURamFan]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

Which person doesnt check their facts as a multimillionaire before publically doing what he did.

Now he's not just wrong...he's stupid

I'm just really dissapointed Ben...I thought Lorenzo was one of the better ones at the top...I'm so dissapointed he made this kinda mistake

Not stupid, just foolish. He heard that there was a bill to stop piracy, something he's been fighting against for years & went to Congress about 2yrs ago. Now he's finally got a chance at some more help & he's stoked.

Problem is, he didn't investigate further.

Originally Posted by Tyburn

...and I already said...Randy Couture for President ahahahaha

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

Let's review the ones you've shown us won't work:

• Ratner was brought in for the sole purpose of getting the sport regulated, he's not in fighter relations or business.
• The UK/Chinese/Latin American VPs: obviously not.
• Randy - he's got no command experience, he was in the Army as a wrestler. That was his job, not leading anyone in combat. His business sense is also questionable: could you imagine him trying the "I'm just going to walk away from this contract & hope nothing happens, then lie publicly when I get called on it" maneuver in a network deal?
• Chuck. Two words: NyQuil, Texas. Not happening
• Matt. Two words: Farm, Family. Not happening

Who is a fitting replacement?

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

Not stupid, just foolish. He heard that there was a bill to stop piracy, something he's been fighting against for years & went to Congress about 2yrs ago. Now he's finally got a chance at some more help & he's stoked.

Problem is, he didn't investigate further.

Randy has no combat experience



I went off Ratner when he refused to overturn Erick Silva disqualification...and yet claims he aggrees with footage...and there is no commission to stop him.

The one time i'd like the UFC to act naughtily...and i'm trumped by a bloody moralist

[NateR]

Exactly how would SOPA or PIPA change the internet experience if they were fully implemented? I guess that's my number one question.

[rockdawg21]

Originally Posted by NateR

Exactly how would SOPA or PIPA change the internet experience if they were fully implemented? I guess that's my number one question.

This thing is even crazier. You got the guy who created megaupload.com arrested by the FBI and he's from New Zealand, WTF?!

Plus, they don't have a case on this guy - he created a site that is just the same freaking thing as YouTube; if somebody finds a copywritten file on their site, they can request for it to be removed and the user who uploaded it warned/deleted from the site.

I had this happen to me at YouTube by TMZ and Zuffa, Inc. even after I gave appropriate credit by linking to their sites in the description. I was banned from YouTube, so I had to create another username. Was YouTube attacked in this? NO!

Now today, FileSonic was taken down. SOPA and PIPA aren't even passed so how do they have the authority to do this? With SOPA and PIPA, basically, any website that even links to something that is copywritten can be taken down completely. For example, if one of us linked to an article, video, picture, etc. here on Matt's forum and it was found to be in violation of a copyright, the whole site, not just the forum would be shut down. Basically, there wouldn't be any internet because EVERY site does this.

Eventually, the internet will become run by users without dependence on ISPs. For this, the government will not have away to intervene. Big brother can go...

Originally Posted by Tyburn

For example, The UFC double their output a year, and keep the prices the same making a fortune rather then showing some compassion towards their fans. They reply by putting their stuff on channels you have to pay extra for, or free facebook fights THAT DONT WORK FOR HALF THE VIEWERS

The UFC does have compassion Dave. I got to watch a free UFC event last weekend and I will get to watch another one this weekend and then next weekend I will have to pay to see a GSP free WW title fight (my dream come true by the way). So for $65 I will get to have seen 3 UFC events, thats $21.67 a show. Thats a really good deal IMO

[VCURamFan]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

Randy has no combat experience

No, he doesn't. He was paid to represent the Army in international wrestling tournaments. When he wasn't wrestling, he worked at the motorpool (garage). I'm sure he went through basic, but he was never under fire & didn't lead men (other than in the wrestling room).

And you keep ignoring the more important fact: he's a crappy business man! Remember his whole "I wanna fight Fedor" tantrum?

Originally Posted by NateR

Exactly how would SOPA or PIPA change the internet experience if they were fully implemented? I guess that's my number one question.

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