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Old 01-05-2012, 02:16 AM
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Chris, I respectfully disagree. I'm a conservative and I will vote for him because the alternative is another 4 years of Barack Obama. Many will do the same.
1. A vote for he lesser of two evils is still EVIL.

2. Romans 13 is clear the person who wins the election is who God wants in office and thus I can vote or note vote with a clean conscience instead of lowering my standards to vote for a person who is not constitutionally sound.

So if you want to vote for evil then be my guest. But I refuse to vote for any man or women who does not fit my standards or passes constitutional mustard.
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:19 AM
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Chris - don't stay home on election day!

I know a lot of Christian-conservatives weren't crazy for McCain and did stay home.

Look what we got because of that
See my post to Flo. I would rather have my body covered in paper cuts and dipped in lemon than vote for a unconstitutional moderate or a Mormon. Sorry that is just how I feel.
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Old 01-05-2012, 02:50 AM
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1. A vote for he lesser of two evils is still EVIL.

2. Romans 13 is clear the person who wins the election is who God wants in office and thus I can vote or note vote with a clean conscience instead of lowering my standards to vote for a person who is not constitutionally sound.

So if you want to vote for evil then be my guest. But I refuse to vote for any man or women who does not fit my standards or passes constitutional mustard.
Mitt Romney is hardly evil. Take a deep breath and think about 4 more years of Barack Obama.

As far as "constitutionally sound" goes, how did you like Obama's power grab today? Just more shredding of the constitution. Your "standards" of not supporting his opponent are naive at best and if enough people do the same you can congratulate yourselves for giving Obama has another term.
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I would rather have my body covered in paper cuts and dipped in lemon than vote for a unconstitutional moderate or a Mormon.
Wow. For someone who claims to believe so deeply in the Constitution, you don't care much about the First Amendment/Freedom of Religion part. You aren't voting for your pastor, you're voting for the leader of ALL the people of the United States.
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1. A vote for he lesser of two evils is still EVIL.

2. Romans 13 is clear the person who wins the election is who God wants in office and thus I can vote or note vote with a clean conscience instead of lowering my standards to vote for a person who is not constitutionally sound.

So if you want to vote for evil then be my guest. But I refuse to vote for any man or women who does not fit my standards or passes constitutional mustard.
i have to agree with this .. the opposition is just grasping at straws to find someone who will beat obama and not necessarily do a good job himself, thus moving away from their beliefs ... i guess if the people are willing to shoot themselves in the foot, or even cut off their nose to spite their face, that is fine .. but i agree with you Chris .. if you don't feel one of the candidates meet your standards, you shouldn't vote
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:44 PM
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Oh...I thought there were only six of them are the ones below her still in it to win it...or have they all gone now also
she still did awful, hence her withdrawl .. herman suspended his campaign .. huntsman is still in it i believe and he did worse .. she didn't have a chance from the start .. she makes palin look like a genius .. well, palin is a genius .. but still ...
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See my post to Flo. I would rather have my body covered in paper cuts and dipped in lemon than vote for a unconstitutional moderate or a Mormon. Sorry that is just how I feel.
I would actually be very conflicted voting for a Mormon as well. I'm hoping Romney does not get the nomination.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:31 PM
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Mitt Romney is hardly evil. Take a deep breath and think about 4 more years of Barack Obama.

As far as "constitutionally sound" goes, how did you like Obama's power grab today? Just more shredding of the constitution. Your "standards" of not supporting his opponent are naive at best and if enough people do the same you can congratulate yourselves for giving Obama has another term.
Flo did you ignore # 2 on my list. If Obama wins then God wants him to have 4 more years. How we vote is meaningless to anything but our own consciences. Obama is a socialist to the highest degree. However what he did Yesterday is what every president has done since Thomas Jefferson. His problem is he did not wait till they were in recess longer. The modern day presidents have found a loop hole. The reason they had recess appointments was because the congress was not in session year around like today. They were in session then went home to be farmers and lawyers and such. They need to amend it to remove the recess appointments and bring back real checks and balances.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:47 PM
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Wow. For someone who claims to believe so deeply in the Constitution, you don't care much about the First Amendment/Freedom of Religion part. You aren't voting for your pastor, you're voting for the leader of ALL the people of the United States.
Flo this is a debate you cannot win sister. First of all the first amendment was set up to keep the feds from starting a national church. Why people are still so ignorant to think it was anything else is beyond me. Fisher Ames the author of the first amendment even wrote a long essay on its meaning and Madison who co authored it wrote a series of papers explaining it. Also the debate in the constitutional congress are transcribed and they all say the same thing. Up until the 1840's most all states had state churches paid for by state governments. So this idea that the 1 st amendment is anything close to a separation of church and state really needs a civics lesson.


Secondly, when we were founded almost all had a religious litmus test for their vote. In some states you could not even be nominated if you were not a member of a church and an actives participant in the church. But that is just the tip of that iceberg. In fact the first Chief Justice of the SCOTUS said this:

John Jay

(America's first Supreme Court Chief Justice and Co-Author of the Federalist Papers)

October 12, 1816

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

So you ask me if I want a cultist Mormon in the white house. NO WAY. Just like I do not want the closet MUSLIM that is there now. We have a duty as Christians to vote for Godly people of good morals and Christian principals. This is a big reason why since 92 the year I was able to vote I have never cast a vote for GOP or DNC candidate. I vote my conscience not my FEARS.
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i have to agree with this .. the opposition is just grasping at straws to find someone who will beat obama and not necessarily do a good job himself, thus moving away from their beliefs ... i guess if the people are willing to shoot themselves in the foot, or even cut off their nose to spite their face, that is fine .. but i agree with you Chris .. if you don't feel one of the candidates meet your standards, you shouldn't vote
Thanks man.
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