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Old 12-24-2011, 07:13 AM
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At Christmas time, should the Nativity story be interpreted as a tale of solidarity with illegal immigrants? Some religious voices, anxious to push some version of liberalized immigration policy as a Christian imperative, describe Jesus and the Holy Family as the most premier of illegal immigrants.
One recent blogger for the Progressive Christian Alliance even crafted a novelette called "Christmas Undocumented: Anunciación" about a pregnant 14-year-old girl named Ave who is smuggled across the Texas border so she can get to her boyfriend in Alabama. First, she visits her cousin Isabella in San Antonio, who "leaps" for joy when hearing about the pregnancy. Only the first installment of the story has been released, but presumably Alabama's new immigration enforcement law will affect young Ave, her boyfriend, and the new baby.
A recent column for the National Catholic Reporter similarly posited that Mary and Joseph, with Baby Jesus, were akin to today's illegals by "seeking posada, or shelter" but finding no room at the inn. "The Christmas season should remind us of how Mary and Joseph and the baby Jesus also represented migrants and refugees who were rejected like today's immigrants," the columnist suggested. "What if those we turn away today include Mary, Joseph and Jesus?" A cynical commenter responded: "What if the illegal aliens we reject are Herod or the soldiers who crucified Jesus?"
A blogger self-described as "A Unitarian Universalist Minister in the South" has laid out his case for Jesus and Holy Family as illegal immigrants. "Shortly after his birth, we read that King Herod orders the killing of the innocent, all children under the age of two," explained the Unitarian, who now pastors in the immigration battle zone of Alabama. "So Jesus and his parents become fugitives under the law and flee once again this time to Egypt. Jesus is now an illegal immigrant with a criminal record."
Ostensibly Jesus' illegal status continued even after Mary and Joseph returned from Egypt "not to Bethlehem where Jesus is a legal resident but to Nazareth," where "Jesus grows up as an illegal alien where he takes the job of carpenter away from other Nazarenes." According to the Unitarian minister, if the Nativity story happened in today's Arizona, "Sheriff Arpaio would seek to arrest Joseph and Mary, throw them into Tent City, where Mary would have had her baby with little medical attention." In this scenario, Jesus would be an "anchor baby." And Joseph may have a dream directing him back into Mexico, though the "trek across the Arizona desert is as treacherous and dangerous as the trek from Bethlehem to Egypt."
The imagined view of Jesus as illegal immigrant is not limited to liberal Unitarian Universalists. Earlier this year, a prominent Southern Baptist seminary dean wrote that "our Lord Jesus himself was a so-called 'illegal immigrant.'" After all, Mary and Joseph had fled, "like many of those in our country right now, a brutal political situation," and "sojourned" in Egypt. Young Jesus "spent his childhood years in a foreign land away from his relatives among people speaking a different language with strange customs."
Yes, but which Egyptian immigration laws did Mary and Joseph violate when they fled there to protect the Baby Jesus from a murderous King Herod? Neither Scripture nor non-canonical sources reveal any such violations. Joseph, Mary and Jesus remained in Egypt until Herod was dead, when they settled in Nazareth. They were essentially temporary religious refugees who fled persecution.
Besides, if both ancient Judaea and ancient Egypt were under the Roman Empire, was moving from one to the other an act of "immigration," much less "illegal"? In his 2009 book The Immigration Crisis: Immigrants, Aliens, and the Bible, James Hoffmeier of Trinity International University near Chicago wrote that the Holy Family en route to Egypt likely would have passed several Roman forts, some of whose ruins have recently been discovered. At these forts, "Joseph undoubtedly had to stop and obtain permission to enter Egypt."
No, there's no historical reason to believe that Joseph, Mary and Baby Jesus were ever illegal immigrants to Egypt or anywhere else. They temporarily were refugees from murderous religious and political persecution. Unlike the Holy family, most illegal immigrants come to America seeking higher wages, not fleeing persecution. Unlike the Holy Family, most illegal immigrants come to stay, though hundreds of thousands every year do in fact return home.
Faith dictates that churches offer their ministry and message of redemption, embodied in the Nativity story, to all people, including illegal immigrants. But there is no covert message within the Christmas narrative offering specific policy guidance on U.S. immigration law. The temptation to extract politics out of the Nativity account should be resisted. Perhaps the most infamous example was the Rev. Jesse Jackson's 1992 Democratic Convention speech comparing Vice President Dan Quayle to murderous King Herod. The birth of Baby Jesus was significant enough by itself that it needs no political sloganeering to amplify its importance.
I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. For years Rev. Jesse Jackson has been saying that Mary and Joseph were a "homeless" couple, as if Joseph refused to work and was sitting around shooting up heroin all day. A few weeks ago, "Rev." Jackson came up with the line that Jesus would be in the "Occupy" movement if he were walking the earth today. The one question I have never heard asked of a liberal "Christian" minister: Would it have been a moral thing to do for Mary to abort the baby Jesus? I would love for a camera to be on their face when that question was asked (of course it will never be asked by a reporter). After all, Mary was pregnant and not yet married. Day care services were not available. No food stamps. No WIC program. Women did not have the same employment opportunities as men. According to liberals, until he took his first breath, Jesus would not have been alive, he would have been part of Mary's body. After all, what difference could a poor child from a Third World Country make? He would probably have a difficult life and a difficult death. It would be more "humane" to end his life before he was ever born.
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Old 12-24-2011, 12:23 PM
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This is pure Liberal propaganda at it's absolute worst.
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Old 12-24-2011, 03:58 PM
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Technically speaking they were Israelite Refugees at the very most.

Movement within the ancient world was different to today. There really isnt any such thing as illegal immigration in the ancient world because there was very little in the way of understood boarder controls.

They were refugees because they were forced against their will to leave...but im not sure the Romans would understand that term either.

What IS interesting is the gap between The Birth and leaving the country. King Heord executed toddlers as well as babies. The one event happened years after the other event! people forget that Jesus was only in Bethlehem for forty days following his birth.

After that the couple will have left to have the child consecrated by the Temple...and give me one good reason why they would return to Bethlehem from there? They only went to Bethlehem to register...not to live.

By the time the Magi appeared the Scripture even says that the star remained over the house....the house...they did not sit in a stable for three years waiting for the wise men!!!

I suspect the reason they fled is because they were registered. If Herod is killing babies in Bethlehem and doesnt find the Christ, he will find out who are not in Bethlehem that were...and he will thus discolose the very name and family.

So Jesus family probably left NOT because they were residents of Bethlehem during the slaughter...but because Records dating back three years...INCLUDING the name of their new Kid..would be written in the Roman Records...and the moment that Herod discovered who and where they were, he would go get them...so they were not safe in his Jursidiction at all.

So...Number one....Jesus was only in Bethlehem for forty days maximum from birth

When the Magi arrived...they did not arrive in Bethlehem...or if they did...it was not at the Stable of the Birth...for they arrived a possible three years later. The star appeared on the day of the birth....and they followed it for years.

Number three they were not residents of Bethlehem during the slaughter, they left because they had been their for the census.

Number four, Herod could gain that information from the Romans and thus he could find them anywhere in the whole country

Number Five...there was no such thing as illegal aliens at the time...simply, Roman citizen, and non citizen...so at the very most, Jesus was a refugee, again...only for a few years

Number six...the real question is...were they Tax evaders If the Roman Records had them living in one place and they were not there...how did they pay taxes during the Egyptian years...they must have sorted it out..or else when they returned....well the Romans would not treated them kindly
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUFQoNW7NPs

This is the Carol...the only one I know of, that commemorates the massicre of Children in Bethlehem
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The one question I have never heard asked of a liberal "Christian" minister: Would it have been a moral thing to do for Mary to abort the baby Jesus? I would love for a camera to be on their face when that question was asked (of course it will never be asked by a reporter). After all, Mary was pregnant and not yet married. Day care services were not available. No food stamps. No WIC program. Women did not have the same employment opportunities as men. According to liberals, until he took his first breath, Jesus would not have been alive, he would have been part of Mary's body. After all, what difference could a poor child from a Third World Country make?
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