Originally Posted by rearnakedchoke
i am with dean on this .. look at the gsp hardy fight .. gsp had that arm in bad shape ... it was bent both with the arm bar and kimura ... hardy was able to get out of it and go the distance .. ok, i know that is only one example .. also, the ref is there to protect the fighters, but if your pride gets in the way and you get your arm snapped, there is no one to blame but the fighter ... plus, if he did stop it before, you would have all the nog nut huggers saying it was a bad stoppage, nog didn't tap, nog woulda got out of it ... good job by dean
That's a good point, I hadn't considered that. The night of the fights, when my buddy's wife got upset at Mir for "being a jerk about it", I placed the blame wholly on Nog's shoulders (he's a black belt, he knew he was done). But when I heard/read Herb phrase the way he did, it sounded as though he was well aware that the arm was going to snap & he was just waiting to see if it would. To me, it seems as though the stoppage recquirements for a TKO should be applied to a sub: intelligent defense. In Nog's case, he was laying there, looking over at his arm, waiting for the break.
I'm certainly not saying that a ref is obligated to step in the moment a fighter's arm gets stretched out or neck gets wrapped, but there should be the same type of communcation: "Nog, you gotta work out of that or I'm stop it. Fight back! BREAK BREAK BREAK!" Wait, that's what happened anyway...