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Old 08-18-2011, 03:45 AM
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Trickle down economics was one of the biggest farces in history.
You're going to need to back that statement up with some facts.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:51 AM
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That is a complete and utter lie.
Really so what date was it he closed guantanamo bay? Now when was it we got that health care? What day was it we got out of Iraq and Afganistan? How about all those jobs and how he has improved the economy? What about cutting the deficit in half? He also promised to get the unemployment to 8. The utter lie here came from Obama
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:56 AM
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That's just not true. The jobs that Pres. Obama takes credit for are basically public sector jobs, they exist from the creation of more government bureaucracies. They produce nothing.
This page says it is true. Cage Fight

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And why bring up Bush? He made mistakes but that's past history. People out of work aren't obsessed with blaming Bush, they want jobs. Obama's economic policies have failed, either he's in denial or worse.
I bring up Bush because this is a pro-Bush site and an anti-Obama site. It's okay to slam Obama but not show how Bush ruined this nation with his dismal performance. There are a lot of things I'm not happy about with the Obama presidency, but it pales in comparison to the Bush years. The outright lies stated on here about Obama get to stay, but I have seen comments about Bush get the ax and magically disappear.
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Old 08-18-2011, 03:59 AM
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Really so what date was it he closed guantanamo bay? Now when was it we got that health care? What day was it we got out of Iraq and Afganistan? How about all those jobs and how he has improved the economy? What about cutting the deficit in half? He also promised to get the unemployment to 8. The utter lie here came from Obama
Do yourself a favor and research what you stated. You stated this:

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Secondly Obama has yet to fullfill any of his campaign promises.
Research what promises he has kept before you paint yourself into a corner. You lied, admit and move on. Sure he hasn't kept them all, but he's kept a whole bunch of them.
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You're going to need to back that statement up with some facts.
How about you first back up yours. My statement was that TDE was a farce. You do know what a farce is right?
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but I have seen comments about Bush get the ax and magically disappear.
The comments about Bush that are deleted usually only amount to "Bush is an idiot" type of remarks. So, you're not missing anything.

Sorry to ruin your conspiracy theories. Sometimes the truth really just isn't that interesting.
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Really so what date was it he closed guantanamo bay? Now when was it we got that health care? What day was it we got out of Iraq and Afganistan? How about all those jobs and how he has improved the economy? What about cutting the deficit in half? He also promised to get the unemployment to 8. The utter lie here came from Obama
Don't forget about the continuous promises of "transparency". He promised the voters he would have the debate on health care, etc. covered by C-Span. C-Span even pleaded to be allowed to cover the negotiations.
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How about you first back up yours. My statement was that TDE was a farce. You do know what a farce is right?
You're the first one to mention trickle down economics in this thread, so the burden of proof is on you.
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The comments about Bush that are deleted usually only amount to "Bush is an idiot" type of remarks. So, you're not missing anything.

Sorry to ruin your conspiracy theories. Sometimes the truth really just isn't that interesting.
It's not a conspiracy theory if you admit you remove comments about Bush.
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This page says it is true. Cage Fight
Yes, technically it is. Here is the entire page you quote from:

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Cage Match: Bush vs. Obama Job Creation

People were asking about the libs' favorite job creation meme this year: Did Obama really create more jobs in 2010 than Bush did in his entire 8 years? Well, yes, but it's a stupid statement. Here's the data (all numbers are in thousands):

Bush Obama
1/31/01 1/31/09 Difference 12/31/09 12/31/10 Difference
Total Jobs 132,469 133,549 1,080 129,588 130,712 1,124
Private Jobs 111,634 110,961 -673 107,107 108,453 1,346


So you can see that the statement is strictly true: Obama did create more private sector jobs and more total jobs in one year than Bush did in 8.

But that doesn't stop this from being an utterly dishonest statement. What they're really saying is that they're going to count both recessions that Bush went through against him, but leave out most of the recession in Obama's term. Here's a fairer comparison, looking at both men's periods of growth:

Bush Obama
7/31/03 12/31/07 Difference 12/31/09 12/31/10 Difference
Total Jobs 129,864 137,951 8,087 129,588 130,712 1,124
Private Jobs 108231 115574 7,253 107,107 108,453 1,346

...or maybe just comparing their first two years (even though the dot.com recession started during Bush's term, while the recent recession was half-over when Obama took over):

Bush Obama
1/31/01 12/31/02 Difference 1/31/09 12/31/10 Difference
Total Jobs 132,469 130,183 -2,281 133,549 130,712 -2,837
Private Jobs 111,634 108,595 -3,039 110,961 108,453 -2,508

Now, I'm not a big fan of Bush's economic policies (except by reference to Obama's), but I think it's pretty clear that the Left's cherry-picking of time periods is ridiculous. Not that comparing two Presidencies with different circumstances isn't ridiculous from the start.

This historical foolery also raised its head during the tax cut brouhaha. Bush's tax cuts, implemented first due to revenue surpluses and then as economic stimulus, are considered to have been irresponsible. But Obama's extension of the tax cuts is considered to be a necessary step in economic recovery. Somehow the pundits have forgotten that Bush had his own recession to deal with, and an enemy actively devoted to the economic downfall of the US.
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