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Old 06-17-2011, 02:38 AM
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I was raised in a strict Baptist household and we were always taught that any form of gambling was sinful (games of chance, lotteries, raffles, etc.). The simplest explanation, that my dad used to give, was that the money we earn is a gift from GOD, not our own personal property. Thus, we will be held accountable for every penny that we spend and gambling is simply NOT good stewardship of the resources that GOD provides for us.

If someone gambles as a more of a social activity with no real interest in whether they win or lose, then I would have a hard time condemning that as a sin. However, if some gambles for the sole purpose of taking someone else's possessions for themselves, then I would have to agree that it is nothing short of stealing.

It might not be the biggest sin that a person can commit, but small sins tend to morph into large sins if left unchallenged.
Interesting Nate. When I see professional gamblers on tv are they sinning? What about the stock market? Is all things that is a risk or chance with money a sin?
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Old 06-17-2011, 02:49 AM
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When I see professional gamblers on tv are they sinning?
Considering that their motives are most likely strictly for personal gain, then I would say yes, most definitely.

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What about the stock market? Is all things that is a risk or chance with money a sin?
That falls into a different category, because it's not always a win/lose situation. Usually when stocks go up, everybody wins and when stocks go down, everybody loses. With gambling, you only win by taking away from someone else. So I think the stock market would be a separate discussion. Although many people would classify it as sin, especially if greed is the primary motive that a person invests money in stocks.
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Old 06-17-2011, 03:34 AM
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Interesting Nate. When I see professional gamblers on tv are they sinning? What about the stock market? Is all things that is a risk or chance with money a sin?
It is about what is in ones heart that makes it sin or not. Act with with wrong motives can be sin. Every sin has it roots on how we treat God and each other.
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Old 06-17-2011, 01:15 PM
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It is about what is in ones heart that makes it sin or not. Act with with wrong motives can be sin. Every sin has it roots on how we treat God and each other.
Agreed. Anything can be sinful if done with impure motives.

My question is, is the act of gambling inherently sinful? In other words, is there a non-sinful way to gamble?

If gambling is actually taking money from others, then it falls under the commandment against stealing and the mutual consent argument wouldn't apply. Would killing a person who wants to commit suicide still be murder? Yes. Would a man still be committing adultery if his wife gave him permission to sleep with other women? Yes. So, just the simple fact that people willingly put their money on the line and risk losing it on a game of chance doesn't necessarily negate the theft aspect of gambling.
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Old 06-17-2011, 03:32 PM
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nate to answer your question better we should define sin better....

how would we define sin? anything contrary to how God designed us to do or told us to do? well if that is the case then i certainly don't think we were designed and encouraged to manipulate other peoples money away from them, so that goes for used car salesman or casinos
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Old 06-17-2011, 07:54 PM
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1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

1 john 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

These verse probably best explain sin and it is better explained when we take it back to Greek. And sin is much more an action not a single act. The verbs used most of the time when we read sin in the bible is much better translated to continue to sin or habitually sin. This is why the bible can say sin not but right around a say go no sin no more. If you are a liar and you get saved you cannot go and make a habit of lying or you are not saved. Pretty much any sin can be inserted their. It is the habit or motive more than anything else. With gambling it is the desire to hurt your neighbor in order to gain from his loss. Te sin is the motive to cause a loss to your neighbor and that is not a very loving act. Playing guard is not itself evil but when it turn into a desire to take another mans money then sin enters in.
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what if you have 2 small business owners, lets say construction contractors. One big job comes up and the client tells the two contractors(who both are just about to start a project at the same time) that he will hire the one that does the best job in the shortest time.
Both are going to do their absolute best to beat the other guy and by beating the other guy he is causing him to lose something. He is also doing this for his own personal gain.
How is this a sin.






What if those 2 guys sitting at the table on ESPN playing poker have been training for that for years and now they have their shot. What is the difference between the 2 situations?


Now yall dont know what side of the fence I'm on!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Interesting Nate. When I see professional gamblers on tv are they sinning? What about the stock market? Is all things that is a risk or chance with money a sin?
You need to make strict definitions before asking a question like that.

You need to tell me what the difference is between "gambling" and taking a "risk" Because not everyone will believe that taking a chance with finances equates to Gambling...as portrayed in betting money.

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Old 06-17-2011, 10:22 PM
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what if you have 2 small business owners, lets say construction contractors. One big job comes up and the client tells the two contractors(who both are just about to start a project at the same time) that he will hire the one that does the best job in the shortest time.
Both are going to do their absolute best to beat the other guy and by beating the other guy he is causing him to lose something. He is also doing this for his own personal gain.
How is this a sin.






What if those 2 guys sitting at the table on ESPN playing poker have been training for that for years and now they have their shot. What is the difference between the 2 situations?


Now yall dont know what side of the fence I'm on!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Between yourself and Mark Hughes...you've just put everything from Retail, Trade and Industry, to Competative Sport, under the same umbrella as gambling.

Why leave it at that...why not say ANY risk taking activity in ANYTHING is gambling.

Therefore...is it sinful to cross the road
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Old 06-17-2011, 10:24 PM
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nate to answer your question better we should define sin better....

how would we define sin? anything contrary to how God designed us to do or told us to do?
I tried pointing that out...noone cared
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