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Old 05-16-2011, 10:23 PM
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Question Can a Christian Raise The Dead?

I am asking this with absolute sincerity...after I heard a Preacher use something I think is infallable Logic, about what Saint Paul says in Romans.

If Its true that the same Spirit of GOD who Raise Jesus from the Dead was within Jesus when he Raised Lazarus, is actually in us now...Whats stopping us from doing to another, exactly what Jesus did to Lazurus?

Be aware...as well as fully GOD, the mystery of the incarnation is that Jesus was just as fully Human

In All Honnesty...just how far do you think this gift we have been given in the ressurection actually goes...When You hear things like "I can do all things through Christ who Strengthens me.." can someone please tell me exactly what is included in that "all things" is it "all" as in...a bit of healing, a bit of spiritual warfare...or is it "all" as in Commanding Oceans to part, Winds to Drop, and people to come back from the dead?


For those who say this IS possible

can you explain why it never happens...do you think its because we lack the faith...do you think if we can truely believe, we actually can...and when we cant, its because...to tell the truth...we honnestly dont really think its possible?

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Old 05-17-2011, 02:43 AM
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Yes they can and there has been documented proof. I met a missionary one time and they had video proof of an event the guy tried to take no credit for but he had to leave the country because they thought it was voodoo. Many other countless stories as well. Some no doubt not as reliable but. If Jesus said we can do it I believe him. Miracles did not stop with the apostles no matter how cessanationist claim they have.
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Old 05-20-2011, 08:50 PM
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Old 05-21-2011, 01:56 AM
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Yes they can and there has been documented proof. I met a missionary one time and they had video proof of an event the guy tried to take no credit for but he had to leave the country because they thought it was voodoo. Many other countless stories as well. Some no doubt not as reliable but. If Jesus said we can do it I believe him. Miracles did not stop with the apostles no matter how cessanationist claim they have.
I probably shouldn't bother posting anything because it will probably just start some flame war. I'm sure Chris F believes what he is saying 100%. I don't think he is lying. However, if someone alive today is truly raising people from the dead, Chris F. has a moral obligation to contact this man and have him available at every children's hospital in the country to resurrect the children killed by accidents and horrible diseases.
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Old 05-21-2011, 02:03 AM
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I probably shouldn't bother posting anything because it will probably just start some flame war. I'm sure Chris F believes what he is saying 100%. I don't think he is lying. However, if someone alive today is truly raising people from the dead, Chris F. has a moral obligation to contact this man and have him available at every children's hospital in the country to resurrect the children killed by accidents and horrible diseases.
but Jesus didn't raise everyone from the dead that he knew about did he? and i am sure this person can't raise everyone .. just the people who God has as His will to raise .. but i could be wrong as i am no where near a bibical scholar as some of the people on here ..as far as i know, Jesus only raised Lazarus and Himself from the dead
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Old 05-21-2011, 02:21 AM
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but Jesus didn't raise everyone from the dead that he knew about did he? and i am sure this person can't raise everyone .. just the people who God has as His will to raise .. but i could be wrong as i am no where near a bibical scholar as some of the people on here ..as far as i know, Jesus only raised Lazarus and Himself from the dead
There were other resurrections in the Bible - the daughter of Jairus, for example. Miracles are recorded by the apostles in Acts. I am not saying God couldn't do it. I am skeptical. In my opinion, Pentecostalism has created many a cynic by claiming healings based upon false or flimsy evidence. The modern day "faith healers" are charlatans. Miraculous claims require extraordinary evidence in order to preserve the integrity of the Christian faith. I am tired of people like Benny Hinn speaking in the name of Christ and putting on some Elmer Gantry-style big-top show complete with fake miracles. It gives Jesus and all other Christians a bad name.
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I probably shouldn't bother posting anything because it will probably just start some flame war. I'm sure Chris F believes what he is saying 100%. I don't think he is lying. However, if someone alive today is truly raising people from the dead, Chris F. has a moral obligation to contact this man and have him available at every children's hospital in the country to resurrect the children killed by accidents and horrible diseases.
PTM- As was already said God alone does the raising and he alone decides who and when and why anyone gets healed or raised from the dead. Your logic is severely flawed and insincere to scripture. You can say you do not have the faith to accept he (god) does these things today, but the fact is God does not need our approval to do anything and so thus he does in spite of out lack of faith.
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There were other resurrections in the Bible - the daughter of Jairus, for example. Miracles are recorded by the apostles in Acts. I am not saying God couldn't do it. I am skeptical. In my opinion, Pentecostalism has created many a cynic by claiming healings based upon false or flimsy evidence. The modern day "faith healers" are charlatans. Miraculous claims require extraordinary evidence in order to preserve the integrity of the Christian faith. I am tired of people like Benny Hinn speaking in the name of Christ and putting on some Elmer Gantry-style big-top show complete with fake miracles. It gives Jesus and all other Christians a bad name.
That is something we can agree on. This guy I met was a young BAPTIST missionary to Mexico and it was in a house not a big top. God will deal with those who make merchandise with his name sure enough but to discount the miracle is dangerous on your part. Should people hate MMA because of sucker punch fools? I would hope not.
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I think that a Christian has to believe in the miraculous. Otherwise, you could not believe in the Resurrection and other miracles of Christ. In addition, the Bible describes Apostles performing miracles. I find the miracles performed by Jesus fascinating because they often had an Old Testament parallel or in some way tied in with theology. In other words, they served a purpose as far as establishing the bona fides of Jesus and the Apostles. I think Christians could or can perform miracles (I'm thinking of the Apostles here); however, I believe that God speaks to us today in his Word and I am skeptical of anyone claiming miraculous powers. I don't think currently Christians do perform miracles.

I take back my comment about taking the man to hospitals. Jesus was described as performing miracles addressing the short term hunger of his audience. For reasons known to God, he did not permanently banish hunger. His miracles seemed more about establishing his identity rather than permanently changing the material circumstances of the world.
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Anyone hear about Smith Wigglesworth. Here is a bit about him.


Smith Wigglesworth

The Apostle of Faith

Smith Wigglesworth always gave this famous quote: "Never compare this Book with other books. This Book is from heaven. It does not contain the Word of God; it is the Word of God. It is supernatural in origin, eternal in duration and value, infinite in scope and Divine in authorship. Read it through! Pray it in! Write it down." This refering to the Bible.

Smith Wigglesworth (1859-1947) is often referred to as the Apostle of Faith and was one of those credited for shaping the Pentecostal Movement in the early twentieth century. It was said that he was responsible for introducing the Movement in Australia and New Zealand. His unflinching faith and belief in God and His Word put him in a class all by himself so much so that today, books are still being written and stories being told about this great man of God and the miracles God wrought through him.

Smith Wigglesworth was born in a little village called Menston in Yorkshire, England. He was one of four children born to John and Martha Wigglesworth. They were poor as John Wigglesworth made very little money from digging ditches. In order to supplement the family income, Smith Wigglesworth began working at the tender age of six pulling and cleaning turnips for a farmer. At the age of seven he started to work in the mill. He worked six days a week from 6am to 6 pm. With his full working day, there was little or no time for schooling and it was not until later in his life that he learnt to read and write. Smith Wiggleworth stammered and very often had difficulties expressing himself. It was reported that in the initial part of his life, this caused him great embarrassment and on occasions ended in tears of frustration.

Though his parents were not professing Christians, Smith Wigglesworth and his siblings were brought up to reverence God and from an early age he had a desire to be close to God. There were a number of experiences in his life that helped to lay the foundation for his faith in God. At the age of eight, his grandmother, who was a Methodist, took him to a Wesleyan Methodist Revival meeting where for the first time, he witnessed people worshipping and praising the Lord. At about the age of thirteen, he met a gentleman who introduced him to the plumbing trade. This gentleman was a member of the Christian Brethren. The Brethren were known for their emphasis on the second coming of Jesus and Bible Study. Smith Wigglesworth was later introduced to the Salvation Army and it was with this organization that he started his Christian service and soon met the woman who was to become his wife. He and his wife were complete opposites for while she was bright and intelligent, he was awkward and uneducated. However, they made a great pair, for while she preached, he took care of things behind the scenes. They were blessed with five children but one son died at a young age. Smith Wigglesworth was a family man who was very devoted to his wife.

Smith Wigglesworth’s life changed dramatically after he received the Holy Ghost. The most noticeable effect of this experience was that he was immediately healed of his stammering. He also acquired a boldness that only God could have given to him. It was at this time that his preaching ministry began. His messages were said to be profound and full of revelation as if from the throne of God Himself.

He was later to become acquainted with the healing ministry and was so enthusiastic about healing that he would go out into the streets and bring the sick to the healing meetings. God soon began to use him to heal although his methods were said to be unconventional and unorthodox. Smith Wigglesworth considered every type of sickness the work of the enemy. Once he identified which part of the body was hurting, he would punch the patient in that area of the body. When asked why he hit the sick, he would reply “I don’t hit people; I hit the devil the people just get in the way.” Through his ministry, people regained their hearing and sight, new limbs were created, cancerous growths disappeared and the demon possessed were delivered. He is also credited for raising twenty-three people from the dead.

Smith Wigglesworth operated in a realm that was unique and this was because he possessed complete and unshakeable faith in God and His Word. He took God at His Word and admonished everyone to do the same. The words “only believe” became his trade mark. His only passion was to stir up an ever increasing faith God which he did. According to him, to live a life of faith required feeding on the Word of God because it is the Word of God that enables faith to spring up in us. He never prayed for the same person twice because according to him, that was unbelief.
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