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Old 03-13-2009, 05:37 PM
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Brad, you're right, the rule doesn't say it's illegal!

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Goat, you're right, the NSAC and Dana White interpret the rule as it is illegal!

O' my...glory hallelujah...would you look at that, you're both RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

It's a...NO CONTEST!!!!




thats all fine and good but if we stop now then what would we do for entertainment,

did you ever think about that Bonnie?(can i call you Bonnie?,doesn't matter i'm going to anyway.)

i'm not sure either one of us want common sense to prevail here,
but what the heck,this is only going to escalate until some one ends up losing an eye,
and then what,so i will go back and delete my last post and call it quits,
hope you have a nice day goat,

thanks Bonnie,
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Old 03-13-2009, 06:26 PM
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a no contest...or a draw...or Brad...are you tapping out...are you quiting
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Old 03-13-2009, 07:52 PM
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a no contest...or a draw...or Brad...are you tapping out...are you quiting
Dave, be good!

Don't get Brad all riled up again! Puhleeze!!!
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Old 03-13-2009, 07:55 PM
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Dave, be good!

Don't get Brad all riled up again! Puhleeze!!!
okay...okay...

I'll step in a call a halt to the contest

declairing the bout a no contest
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Old 03-14-2009, 01:42 AM
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ok, here's the deal....like i said, i'm not arguing that GSP would have lost if not for greasing, i'm not arguing it was intentional or not. i'm arguing that the act itself, of greasing his body, was illegal.

here's the rule:

"The excessive use of grease or any other foreign substance may not be used on the face or body of an unarmed combatant."

the NSAC legislation relies on someone else's interpretation of the rule to tell you that you cannot grease the body, and Kizer (Director of the NSAC) has said that it is his interpretation of that rule that no grease can be applied to the body, and only "non-excessive" amounts can be applied to the face.


so excessive means more than necessary.

the necessary amount of vaseline on your back and shoulders is zero.

therefore anything more than zero is excessive.

the NSAC was notified by Liddell, someone that knows the rules better than any of us, that GSP's corner was using vaseline on his body. Kizer and crew went in screaming and yelling for Nurse to take his hands off GSP's body. they kicked the vaseline out of the octagon in disgust.

this is not something the NSAC would do if Nurse rubbing down GSP was legit.

as far as Matt and other fighters complaining about GSP feeling greasy, it's relevant because like Matt also said, he's had 40+ fights, 2,000+ wrestling matches and he knows the difference between sweat slipperiness and greasing slipperiness.

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Old 03-14-2009, 01:59 AM
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Brad, you're right, the rule doesn't say it's illegal!

and

Goat, you're right, the NSAC and Dana White interpret the rule as it is illegal!

O' my...glory hallelujah...would you look at that, you're both RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

It's a...NO CONTEST!!!!




not

it says The excessive use of grease or any other foreign substance may not be used on the face or body of an unarmed combatant. excessive is an interpretation, it's not measured. and the NSAC has determined it was excessive. the NSAC, Dana White, and numerous pro fighters know you can't excessively grease the body, only certain GSP fans don't.

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Old 03-14-2009, 02:05 AM
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and Chuck, they can wipe all they want, the grease stays. like Dana said, you need soap and water to get rid of it. rubbing it off only spreads it more in a thinner layer and then it gets into the pores and sweats out later. basically, GSP would have to shower to assure he wasn't still slippery.

greasing is much more egregious than grabbing the cage or groin shots. points are usually deducted and time is given to recover in those situations. they didn't even tell Penn until after the fight that GSP greased, even though Penn was complaining during the fight that GSP was greasy. Kizer has said that was unfortunate.

and when has the NSAC or Dana White for that matter, gone ballistic over cage grabs or groin shots? greasing is clearly more damaging.
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:08 AM
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Contest or no... intentional or not...

Baby Jay will get ANOTHER beat down..I wonder what his excuse for quitting the next time will be....?
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:48 AM
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it says The excessive use of grease or any other foreign substance may not be used on the face or body of an unarmed combatant. excessive is an interpretation, it's not measured. and the NSAC has determined it was excessive. the NSAC, Dana White, and numerous pro fighters know you can't grease the body, only certain GSP fans don't.
I humbly stand corrected GOAT. Thank you for posting the rule so everyone can see/read it.

Hopefully, they'll fix it so this rule is defined that leaves no room for "interpretation" of where, how, how much and who applies the vaseline/substance.
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Old 03-14-2009, 02:56 AM
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I humbly stand corrected GOAT. Thank you for posting the rule so everyone can see/read it.

Hopefully, they'll fix it so this rule is defined that leaves no room for "interpretation" of where, how, how much and who applies the vaseline/substance.
well the UFC has already changed who is allowed in the corner between rounds and when the vaseline is applied.

Japan does it best.

1.) they allow you to wear pants, this helps absorb slipperiness, both natural and illegal.

2.) if you're caught using grease, it will be a NC.

3.) Vaseline is only allowed to the face before the first round, none after.
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