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Old 03-09-2009, 10:23 PM
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Default Reminder of the Evils of Communism!

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Old 03-09-2009, 10:46 PM
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What a brilliant song in the background!

Didnt watch it all but the thing is i dont believe in a communist society but i think Marx had some good ideas. Its a shame that peope betray the ideal. Plus most lefties are insufferable fools.

The only thing is that, it makes comments over Stalin killing millions and he was a brutal man but Russia had a history for this. Was Stalin any worse than the Tsarist regimes?

Or without aggresive Russian industrialisartion spearheaded by Stalin needed to beat back the Nazi regime.

ITs difficult but there is more to it, in my view
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A quote I always liked is...

"the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money"
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A quote I always liked is...

"the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money"
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A quote I always liked is...

"the problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other peoples money"


aint that the truth
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Old 03-10-2009, 12:45 AM
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The whole concept behind Communism is that ALL property belongs to the government to distribute as they see fit! It don't matter who worked for it of who earned it it still belongs to the Government! In Communism the Government controls everything! Communism does not recognize any God given rights. Only Government given rights to be taken away at the whim of the Government. And that my friends is a brief and simple summery of Communism!
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And that my friends is a brief and simple summery of Communism!
No my friend, that is not.

Communism is an ideal of fairness to all through equality of wealth. In the eyes of a communist what is grossly unfair is the division between rich and poor.

Communism also take a utilitarian approach to ethics. The Government look out for the people, and they work under the mantra "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" Therefore when thinking about liberty and basic rights, the level of freedom and equality is not given on an individual level, that is selfish. Rather it is a team effort. So if a few individuals need sacrificing to ensure the good and wellbeing of the rest communism supports that. The whole is more important then a sum of its parts.

Now on a small scale Communism works exceptionally well. It prevents feudalism. But the group needs to be less then a couple of hundred to make the system work. What you see in communist countries is categorically NOT Communism, but a failed version of it that has been corrupted by a State. Sadly the corruption comes when Wealth is kept and stored rather then fully distributed, creating a system of slavery over the masses, rather then the masses freed from want.

Thats not any more Karl Marx fault, then Einstein being blamed for what happened in Hiroshima, or Nietzsche being blamed for the Aryan Ubermensch concept. The creators arent always involved in the future use of their ideals.

I have to say that Utilitarianism, the basis for the morals that guide Communism are things that we look up to also. Think about an Army Officer who is killed whilst defending his Team? What he has done is decide that the good of the team goes before his own personal good. If he is called upon to sacrifice himself for the team, then he will do that. You and I both look on that as a noble principle.

In the same way you see this reflected in the world around us. In the Amazon every year the river bursts its banks and floods major parts of the forrest floor. This proves to be a difficulty to certain types of Ants who nest on the floor, for they are in grave danger of drowning. The ants prepare for this by assembling enmass one atop the other in a huge square, in the middle of that square they bundle their queen. When the water comes the living raft of ants floats on the serface.

This living raft is attacked by sea and air. Fish from below begin to pick off and eat the ants on the bottom part of the ramp, birds take those ants on top. The ideal is that they float until they hit something that hasnt been submerged, then they try and nest as best they can.

They live as a team, they die for their team. The team, the whole, the collective is more important then their individuality. They are Communist.
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Maybe you should read the Communist manifesto and give real thought to what it means to own nothing. Most every Communist Country has set the Government up as God! God gave individuals basic human rights. As for equal distribution of wealth it may sound good in theory but it don't work in practise. Under Communism you are not rewarded based up on your work. But what the ruling class thinks you need. When the state owns everything everybody but the state suffers! I know it's trendy nowadays (especially in some left wing college circles) to think that Communism is a Noble concept but it ain't. As for that Army story you told. Big difference! The Soldier that is that dedicated is probably serving of his own free will and decides for himself to make the sacrifice. That most definitely ain't communism!
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Maybe you should read the Communist manifesto and give real thought to what it means to own nothing. Most every Communist Country has set the Government up as God! God gave individuals basic human rights. As for equal distribution of wealth it may sound good in theory but it don't work in practise. Under Communism you are not rewarded based up on your work. But what the ruling class thinks you need. When the state owns everything everybody but the state suffers! I know it's trendy nowadays (especially in some left wing college circles) to think that Communism is a Noble concept but it ain't. As for that Army story you told. Big difference! The Soldier that is that dedicated is probably serving of his own free will and decides for himself to make the sacrifice. That most definitely ain't communism!
I have read it. I did a module of Political Philosophy, Political Evolution and Ethics.

In a small group the division of wealth CAN wrok. On a Kabbutz, in a Monastic (religious) foundation it works perfectly...have you never read the Book of Acts? That ran on a kabbutz style for quite a while by the sound of it? What did Saint Peter do to the guy who refused, or held back some of his wealth from the collective?

Lets not mix up Communism and Utilitarianism shall we. I demonstrated them together to show you how close proper Communistic principles are. See true Communists follow the rule of their own free will, they are not forced.

If you could get Communism to work properly under a large scale then I'm sorry to tell you that, the ideal, the concept is quite noble. Its just that it doesnt translate well in large country sized groups because it doesnt take into consideration the individual...and it certainly doesnt consider selfishness or greed
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