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Old 02-21-2011, 11:32 PM
Chris F
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Originally Posted by adamt View Post
I hear people constantly quote Matthem 7:1, christians and non christians alike. It is a cliche verse anymore. Most of you know it as soon as i say it....

Judge not that ye be not judged.....

then we stop there. Why? I'll tell you why, because that is the part that suits our needs most. Like pulling a bart simposon and quoting "Do unto others" When we only quote the first half of the verse we can say that verse means not to condemn anyone else. But people really should read the whole chapter....

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?

10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes

okay i highlighted some portions that i thought were interesting....

I don't know any biblical languages but it seems to me the way Jesus was using judge is not how we take it to mean today. Cause Jesus clearly goes on to tell us that we can take the mote out of our brother's eye if we take the ones out of ours first, (granted He also said there was no point cause they're probably just pigs that won't appreciate Godly counsel or wisdom)

Also He goes on to tell us basically we HAVE to judge others, lest we be decieved and then tells us how to "judge" them, so how is it wrong to :judge" people?

I cringe every time I hear someone quote Matt 7:1, it is so misquoted

i think matt 7 means just the opposite of what most people believe

the underlined portion is very alarming as well... to say many "Christians" will findf out they weren't christians at all, but just fooling themselves
It pretty much says the same thing in greek as it does in English. The Emphassis is on whe method of Judgement. One must judge according to God's standards and nto those set by man. The is what it is in Greek in a nutshell
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Old 02-21-2011, 11:35 PM
Chris F
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However Matthew was written originally in Hebrew so this is the reason for the choppy wording and misplaced ideas. When the eraly churhc fathers begin to complile the works of the diciples they translated Matthew because much of the early church was Gentile, but Matthew intended audience was Hebrew thus the reason it has a lot more Jewsihness to it.
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Old 02-22-2011, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by adamt View Post
maybe he is referring to a particular sin and not all sin as a whole.... what do you think?

but also remember that we christians also believe we are without sin as a whole once Christ forgives us
Forgiven of all sins. Not without sin.
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