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Old 02-20-2011, 12:40 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Vr-...eature=related

The first 4+ minutes is an actual sermon by Charles Spurgeon and if you did not know any better you would say it was modern. Has the church lost its purpose and relevance in order to be entertaining. Please watch and share your opinions.
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Old 02-20-2011, 01:33 AM
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John MacArthur has been going through a very similar sermon series that I've been listening to on the radio. So I've been thinking about this topic a lot. MacArthur's mostly focusing on how modern English translations have downplayed the Bible's use of the word "slave" to describe salvation. Also how most modern evangelistic movements intentionally omit any references to making Christ the Lord of our lives, committing our lives to Christ, acknowledging our sin, and even repenting of our sin. Because they believe it is more important to get people saved and sealed and then release those same people to go live out their lives however they see fit with absolutely no acknowledgment of GOD after that initial decision. Preferably they would make GOD the Lord of their lives at some point in the future, but it's not really necessary because they're saved and, even if they leave the faith or deny the existence of GOD altogether, they're still going to Heaven because of that one decision made in a moment of time. That's a complete and total prostitution of GOD's Word and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If someone refuses to make Jesus the Lord of their life - in other words, they have to give up EVERYTHING to Christ: their family, their possessions, their money, their job, their property, their spouse, their body, their mind, their soul, their spirit, their free will, their future plans, etc.; and become His slave for eternity - then they can't be saved. GOD doesn't accept part-time commitment (or Sunday-morning Christians), it's all or nothing.

I think if Charles Spurgeon was disturbed by the direction the Church was taking in the 1800s, then he would be absolutely horrified by what the Church has become in the 2000s.
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Old 02-20-2011, 01:50 AM
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John MacArthur has been going through a very similar sermon series that I've been listening to on the radio. So I've been thinking about this topic a lot. MacArthur's mostly focusing on how modern English translations have downplayed the Bible's use of the word "slave" to describe salvation. Also how most modern evangelistic movements intentionally omit any references to making Christ the Lord of our lives, committing our lives to Christ, acknowledging our sin, and even repenting of our sin. Because they believe it is more important to get people saved and sealed and then release those same people to go live out their lives however they see fit with absolutely no acknowledgment of GOD after that initial decision. Preferably they would make GOD the Lord of their lives at some point in the future, but it's not really necessary because they're saved and, even if they leave the faith or deny the existence of GOD altogether, they're still going to Heaven because of that one decision made in a moment of time. That's a complete and total prostitution of GOD's Word and it bears no resemblance whatsoever to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If someone refuses to make Jesus the Lord of their life - in other words, they have to give up EVERYTHING to Christ: their family, their possessions, their money, their job, their property, their spouse, their body, their mind, their soul, their spirit, their free will, their future plans, etc.; and become His slave for eternity - then they can't be saved. GOD doesn't accept part-time commitment (or Sunday-morning Christians), it's all or nothing.

I think if Charles Spurgeon was disturbed by the direction the Church was taking in the 1800s, then he would be absolutely horrified by what the Church has become in the 2000s.
John MacArthur said most think it was this feeling of horror about the state of the church that led to his death. He would be mortified had he seens where there church is today
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Old 02-20-2011, 11:30 AM
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I think that it was obvious that eventually the Religious would tarnish Christianity in exactly the same way that the Religious Tarnished Judaism just prior to Christ in Chronology.

Its easy to blame the Fall of Rome, or the Enlightenment for this, and say that without an overarching denomination the seeds of were spread...or that a word free from secularism and modernization would bring us closer to GOD...and those have contributed...but the truth is...the Roman Catholic Church is guilty of extraordinary sin and corruption and lack of faith in the unification of Science and Religion...that really and honnestly, life under them is as GODless perhaps as life now.

The only time that the Church has lived up to its calling was under Abraham, Moses and Aaron, King David, and the Messianic Jews recorded in the Book of The ACTS of The Apostles.

The Jews Failed, Rome Failed, Protestanitsm is Failing. What we need is a global revival, or the Tribulation...either would do.
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