Baptism

[Mark]

Is there any good if a person gets Baptised that is not saved?

Originally Posted by Mark

Is there any good if a person gets Baptised that is not saved?

what definition of baptism are you using? baptism of a child? or baptism of an adult? i am only familiar with baptism of children (my catholic upbringing), but with baptism of an adult, are they baptized when they are entering the faith or when they are saved?
if the former then i would think not, but if the latter, then from what i have read on here, it would seem that the person was never truly saved to begin with ...

[adamt]

Mark do you lie awake at night just thinking about controversial questions to ask on here just to get a heated discussion going



you have to define "good"

baptism is an act of obedience and an act of testimony, showing your allegiance to Christ, it doesn't do anything to "save" you

so simple answer is no

nothing "good" is counted for a person until they are a child of God

but on the flip side, even if a person IS saved , baptism doesn't do anything to add to or complete their salvation, anymore than communion does



Also, you have to look at it from the other side, I don't think it is "bad" to get baptized before you are saved if you do it thinking you are doing right, but after you recieve Christ, I would definitely get baptized again, as a Child of God, as a testimony to your commitment to Him and as obedience, that it might be accredited to you in eternity

my big point would be tho, that baptism doesn't do anything to complete your salvation or keep you saved












to add: my point of view : If I wanted you to haul 9000 bushels of corn to market and you said okay. I would hire you to do it.

Then the question is posed, "does it do any good to haul 10 loads of my corn before i haul 10 loads of your corn?"

It might do good in some ways, but i ain't paying you for it

you got some more experience and got your hauling done, but I only care about corn you haul for me after i hired you

I don’t think it does anything by itself one way or the other, but in some cases it has an ‘in for a penny’ effect, where going through with the ceremony causes a change of position in the person’s heart, and lead them to accept Christ later on.

One other effect it can have is on the onlookers: Seeing your father or grandmother for instance get baptized can have a powerful and lasting effect on even adult children, even if the person getting baptized isn’t really saved.

Baptism is for believers. If you do it beofore all you are is a wet sinner not yet saved by grace.

[Llamafighter]

I always thought that baptism was the final step after someone was saved.

in my case, I was baptized as a baby and saved as an teenager.

What about child baptisms?

I would imagine baptism without salvation is just sticking your head under the water.

Originally Posted by Llamafighter

I always thought that baptism was the final step after someone was saved.

in my case, I was baptized as a baby and saved as an teenager.

What about child baptisms?

They are not biblical. Most Christin dedicate thir kids (circa Jesus) not baptize. Some denomination teach if one is not baptized they go to hell another thing that is not biblical.

Originally Posted by Llamafighter

I always thought that baptism was the final step after someone was saved.

It is the first step in your new life, very much like the wedding is the first step in marriage.

Originally Posted by Chris F

If you do it before all you are is a wet sinner

I love that bit!