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Old 03-04-2009, 05:24 AM
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So, logically, if you hate Bush because of the first bailout and think it was a bad idea, then you must really hate Obama. If Bush Jr. started up the vehicle that is driving this nation to economic ruin, then Obama didn't jump in and shut the engine off, he put to the metal and shifted into 4th gear!

If Bush was irresponsible in his spending, the Obama is bordering on criminal.
I've never said I approved on either bailout. What would you do if you were in Obama's shoes and had inherited the most enormous debt to have been passed onto a newly elected president and an economy on the brink of collapse?

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Old 03-04-2009, 05:36 AM
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I've never said I approved on either bailout. Since you apparently seem to have all of the answers, what would you do if you were in Obama's shoes and had inherited the most enormous debt to have been passed onto a newly elected president and an economy on the brink of collapse?
I like the idea of eliminating the income tax for everybody for the year 2009. This would give everyone with a job an instant boost to their paychecks that would last all year. Then just start slashing government social programs, with a priority towards keeping our troops well supplied and safe overseas. Also, eliminate sales tax on basic food items and repeal the gas tax. Finally, reduce Welfare to only cover those who it was created for: widows and orphans of our troops who have lost their lives in combat.

Basically, retract government power and influence as much as possible because, to repeat my Ronald Reagan quote, "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
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Old 03-04-2009, 05:54 AM
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I like the idea of eliminating the income tax for everybody for the year 2009. This would give everyone with a job an instant boost to their paychecks that would last all year. Then just start slashing government social programs, with a priority towards keeping our troops well supplied and safe overseas. Also, eliminate sales tax on basic food items and repeal the gas tax. Finally, reduce Welfare to only cover those who it was created for: widows and orphans of our troops who have lost their lives in combat.

Basically, retract government power and influence as much as possible because, to repeat my Ronald Reagan quote, "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
Dang, I was too slow in removing my sarcastic comment.

Interesting, though I think cutting the income tax for everyone would create a major cash drain and cutting the gas tax would be horrible for our roads and bridges that are in such an awful state of disrepair. Do you really think that individuals making 75k+ a year shouldn't pay any income tax? Don't get me wrong, I would love to not have to pay my taxes. If it means keeping the economy going I'll gladly (more like grudgingly) pay my fair share.
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:53 AM
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The idea of eliminating income tax completely is not reasonable. That revenue pays for a lot more than just social programs. While I agree completely with more focus on military spending, the reality is we need a lot of the programs that are in place. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

"Welfare" is a word that gets tossed around a little too loosely sometimes. While, yes there are plenty of "lazy people who won't get a job" living on welfare and food stamps, there are also a lot of hard working taxpayers who are just stuck in a hard situation and need some extra help from time to time.

I have been a part of charity that donates food and gift certificates to needy families for a long time, and I have seen it all. From crackheads and bums, to honest hard working people with families to feed. You know the ones who are just being lazy, because they keep coming back over and over, even using different names, but we know who they are. Our charity has been receiving money though FEMA and Catholic Charities for about 25 years now, and believe me it's not a lot of money. We have to fund a lot of the functions ourselves, and I even put together local rock shows to raise money from time to time. So that money from FEMA helps a lot, even though it's not very much.

So, while I understand the displeasure with the government's handling of tax dollars, I still believe that some social programs are needed. We should not be so blinded by politics that we turn our backs on Americans who work hard and are truly in need, and that is regardless of the military backround in their family. We don't need to be socialists to help one another out, but there is no denying that many of the programs are in need of a complete overhaul.


Either way, the amount of pork in this stimulus package is more than all the pig roasts I have been to in my entire life. Obama has pretty much bet his presidency on this, and if it fails, so will the Dems in 2012. At this point I am just waiting for Barrack to start talking in third person like The Rock, that would be hilarious.

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Old 03-04-2009, 11:28 AM
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Either way, the amount of pork in this stimulus package is more than all the pig roasts I have been to in my entire life. Obama has pretty much bet his presidency on this, and if it fails, so will the Dems in 2012. At this point I am just waiting for Barrack to start talking in third person like The Rock, that would be hilarious.
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Back to the "approval poll" question: I think I've posted this before, but my husband was contacted by CBS news last year to be part of an ongoing poll for Bush's approval rating.
About 6 questions into the poll, he told them what they could do with their poll...
ALL of the questions were worded so that you essentially HAD to say something negative. For example, one of the questions was : Which of the following decisions by our President do you oppose most?

And more along those lines. There was not a single question asked that allowed for any sort of positive feedback. When he complained, the pollster said, "I know. It's really bad, I just work here.."
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:52 PM
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So...people are excited that our government is 1.75 trillion dollars in debt?


I'm sure I read that people his polls were dropping
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Old 03-04-2009, 12:56 PM
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You're wrong. By the time Obama and the press are done convincing everybody this is what we need, it will be American. God save us.
Your Wrong...thats British

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Old 03-04-2009, 06:36 PM
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Back to the "approval poll" question: I think I've posted this before, but my husband was contacted by CBS news last year to be part of an ongoing poll for Bush's approval rating.
About 6 questions into the poll, he told them what they could do with their poll...
ALL of the questions were worded so that you essentially HAD to say something negative. For example, one of the questions was : Which of the following decisions by our President do you oppose most?

And more along those lines. There was not a single question asked that allowed for any sort of positive feedback. When he complained, the pollster said, "I know. It's really bad, I just work here.."
Yeah, that's the problem, questions that only allow you to reinforce the opinions of the poll writers.

It would be like creating a poll to gauge how often domestic abuse occurs in the home and asking questions like this:
1. How often do you physically strike your wife?
A. once a month
B. once a week
C. several times a week
D. once a day

2. When you strike your children, do you use...?
A. a wooden rod
B. a belt
C. your fist
D. all of the above
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Old 03-04-2009, 06:38 PM
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I like the idea of eliminating the income tax for everybody for the year 2009. This would give everyone with a job an instant boost to their paychecks that would last all year. Then just start slashing government social programs, with a priority towards keeping our troops well supplied and safe overseas. Also, eliminate sales tax on basic food items and repeal the gas tax. Finally, reduce Welfare to only cover those who it was created for: widows and orphans of our troops who have lost their lives in combat.

Basically, retract government power and influence as much as possible because, to repeat my Ronald Reagan quote, "government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
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