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Old 11-30-2010, 04:31 PM
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Does anyone know if Greg has responded to the latest bashing by Dana? It seems like that this is getting so bad that even the CEO of the UFC is coming out and talking against Jackson.

Greg has been around forever and i don't know if eventually they will try to push him out of the UFC. I personally think he is amazing at what he does, but his win-first strategy may eventually be a thing of the past.

If the UFC wasn't so random with the process for cutting people, i think that we would see more exciting fights.
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Old 11-30-2010, 04:35 PM
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Really does not surprise me that Dana is bashing someone let alone the Jackson camp.
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:29 PM
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http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/11/3...ent-criticism/

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Greg Jackson Fires Back at Dana White Over Recent Criticism

11/30/2010 11:21 AM ET By Ben Fowlkes

MMA trainer Greg Jackson isn't pleased with some of the recent comments coming from UFC president Dana White, so he decided to do something about it. With White criticizing the Jackson camp for what he describes as a boring, conservative approach to fights, Jackson is firing back with a weapon of his own: statistical analysis.

On Monday night Jackson sent MMA Fighting an email listing all the bonus awards and finishes tallied by his fighters in Zuffa events in 2010. The list includes the names of 20 Jackson camp fighters who competed in the UFC or WEC in 2010, but perhaps the most telling figure is the distribution of UFC's bonuses after each event, Jackson explained.

"Here's a quick stat for you. So there's been 22 [UFC events] this year? We had 12 bonuses so far this year," Jackson said in a phone interview. "So one out of every two, one of my fighters got Submission of the Night, Knockout of the Night, or Fight of the Night."

It's the kind of statistic he wishes White would have looked at before telling CSN Washington that Jackson's fighters were being too conservative in their efforts, saying, "There's obviously some consistency there with the Jackson camp and being safety-first."

"We sat down and did the math after we heard that," Jackson said. "He wants to say there's a consistency? Okay, let's look at statistical consistencies. Let's look at Jon Jones, who has finished every fight with me in the first round, except for that Matt Hamill one, which would have been a first-round stoppage anyway if he hadn't thrown that illegal elbow.

"Let's look at Carlos Condit, who had Fight of the Night and Knockout of the Night. Even people on the undercard who people don't really know yet. Kyle Noke, two finishes, both in the second round. Almost everybody on our team finishes consistently. There's no fact. Everybody's just making stuff up."

Much of the recent criticism from White stemmed from what he regarded as bad advice in the corner of Nate Marquardt during his recent number one contender fight with Yushin Okami at UFC 122. White said Marquardt was clearly losing the fight, yet his corner led by Jackson and Trevor Wittman of Denver's Grudge Training Center didn't communicate the urgency of the situation to him.

"...[F]or Nate Marquardt to leave the Octagon that night feeling like he won, your corner did you wrong," White said. "Your corner did you wrong if you think you won that fight."

But according to Jackson, White only thinks he knows what Marquardt was being told throughout that fight.

"He didn't hear what I was telling Nate Marquardt. Me and Trevor were screaming. Listen to the audio. At one point in the third round, I yelled at Nate very clearly, 'Nate, you have a minute and a half to knock this guy out; you must get a knockout.' As clear as day, and I asked Nate if he remembered me yelling that. He said, 'Yeah, I heard you say that.' I was screaming at him. I thought we had lost the first two rounds."

He's heard the criticism from fans and commentators before, Jackson said, and has tried to let it roll off his back. With as many fighters as he has in the UFC, he pointed out, there's going to be a bad night every now and then, and some people are bound to distort the statistics in their own minds without ever bothering to find out if they're supported by actual numbers.

But when he heard the stiff criticism from the head of the world's top MMA organization, Jackson said, that stung a bit more than your normal message-board chatter.

"It didn't bug me until Dana said it. Fans are fans, but Dana said that and, you know, I've worked really hard in his organization. If you look at my stats, they're insane. Imagine you give your life to something and then your boss comes up and says, 'Man, you suck.' Well, wait a minute, just this year alone, half your bonuses have gone to my guys. So what are you talking about?"

One good thing has come out of all the recent criticism, however. Without it, Jackson admitted, he probably never would have done the math and found out how well his fighters were performing.

"It was a morale booster for me, anyway," he said. "It's nice to have cold, hard facts sometimes."
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Old 11-30-2010, 05:54 PM
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dana got owned
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:01 PM
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i dont think dana got owned at all. i think dana makes a good point, and i think jackson is missing the point.

dana didn't say jackson's fighters are boring, he just said they put safety first. its true. just because alot of jackson's fighters get bonuses does not mean they dont fight to not lose.

also, marquardt talks way too much for putting on a performance like he did against okami. in every interview marquardt talked about anderson silva almost as much as talking about okami. in fact he has done that for the past 4 years. every since he lost to anderson its like he is focused more on anderson than his current opponent. even after he lost to okami he said on the post press conference he thought he won that fight. he is delusional and jackson really needs to get him under control. i'm surprised he didn't ask for an immediate shot at anderson after losing to okami.

jackson seriously needs to do something about his superstar GSP, too. for being the biggest star in UFC, GSP sure is boring. he is by far the most boring and predictable "superstar" the UFC has right now. he may win but he hasn't finished anyone in 3 years. crazy.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:07 PM
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i dont think dana got owned at all. i think dana makes a good point, and i think jackson is missing the point.

dana didn't say jackson's fighters are boring, he just said they put safety first. its true. just because alot of jackson's fighters get bonuses does not mean they dont fight to not lose.

also, marquardt talks way too much for putting on a performance like he did against okami. in every interview marquardt talked about anderson silva almost as much as talking about okami. in fact he has done that for the past 4 years. every since he lost to anderson its like he is focused more on anderson than his current opponent. even after he lost to okami he said on the post press conference he thought he won that fight. he is delusional and jackson really needs to get him under control. i'm surprised he didn't ask for an immediate shot at anderson after losing to okami.

jackson seriously needs to do something about his superstar GSP, too. for being the biggest star in UFC, GSP sure is boring. he is by far the most boring and predictable "superstar" the UFC has right now. he may win but he hasn't finished anyone in 3 years. crazy.
GSP finished BJ last year and Serra in 2008 ... how is that three years?
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:09 PM
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jackson seriously needs to do something about his superstar GSP, too. for being the biggest star in UFC, GSP sure is boring. he is by far the most boring and predictable "superstar" the UFC has right now. he may win but he hasn't finished anyone in 3 years. crazy.
As a GSP fan, I'm fine with that. I'd rather my fighter win's fights and be boring than be "exciting" and always chasing a title or looking over your shoulder to see about getting cut.

Finishing fights would be cool, but I'll take a boring win over an exciting loss any day.
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:15 PM
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As a GSP fan, I'm fine with that. I'd rather my fighter win's fights and be boring than be "exciting" and always chasing a title or looking over your shoulder to see about getting cut.

Finishing fights would be cool, but I'll take a boring win over an exciting loss any day.
like i said before, it's only boring to the gsp haters ... if my basketball team is up by 30 at the half, i am sticking around to watch the whole thing .. but if my team is getting killed and there is no way they are winning, i am gonna bail because to me it is going to be boring ... after the 1st round of a gsp fight, when it's a foregone conclusion he is gonna win, it pisses the haters off so much ... even if you told them GSP was gonna finish it in the second or third, they are gonna bail .. LOL
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like i said before, it's only boring to the gsp haters ... if my basketball team is up by 30 at the half, i am sticking around to watch the whole thing .. but if my team is getting killed and there is no way they are winning, i am gonna bail because to me it is going to be boring ... after the 1st round of a gsp fight, when it's a foregone conclusion he is gonna win, it pisses the haters off so much ... even if you told them GSP was gonna finish it in the second or third, they are gonna bail .. LOL
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Old 11-30-2010, 06:45 PM
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Complaining about boring fights is boring.

If you don't like grappling or proper strategy, I suggest watching amateur boxing or kickboxing.
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