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Old 02-28-2009, 07:09 PM
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American taste for soft toilet roll 'worse than driving Hummers'Extra-soft, quilted and multi-ply toilet roll made from virgin forest causes more damage than gas-guzzlers, fast food or McMansions, say campaigners
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Suzanne Goldenberg, US environment correspondent guardian.co.uk, Thursday 26 February 2009 18.29 GMT larger | smaller Article history
The tenderness of the delicate American buttock is causing more environmental devastation than the country's love of gas-guzzling cars, fast food or McMansions, according to green campaigners. At fault, they say, is the US public's insistence on extra-soft, quilted and multi-ply products when they use the bathroom.

"This is a product that we use for less than three seconds and the ecological consequences of manufacturing it from trees is enormous," said Allen Hershkowitz, a senior scientist at the Natural Resources Defence Council.

"Future generations are going to look at the way we make toilet paper as one of the greatest excesses of our age. Making toilet paper from virgin wood is a lot worse than driving Hummers in terms of global warming pollution." Making toilet paper has a significant impact because of chemicals used in pulp manufacture and cutting down forests.

A campaign by Greenpeace seeks to raise consciousness among Americans about the environmental costs of their toilet habits and counter an aggressive new push by the paper industry giants to market so-called luxury brands.

More than 98% of the toilet roll sold in America comes from virgin forests, said Hershkowitz. In Europe and Latin America, up to 40% of toilet paper comes from recycled products. Greenpeace this week launched a cut-out-and-keep ecological ranking of toilet paper products.

"We have this myth in the US that recycled is just so low quality, it's like cardboard and is impossible to use," said Lindsey Allen, the forestry campaigner of Greenpeace.

The campaigning group says it produced the guide to counter an aggressive marketing push by the big paper product makers in which celebrities talk about the comforts of luxury brands of toilet paper and tissue.

Those brands, which put quilting and pockets of air between several layers of paper, are especially damaging to the environment.

Paper manufacturers such as Kimberly-Clark have identified luxury brands such as three-ply tissues or tissues infused with hand lotion as the fastest-growing market share in a highly competitive industry. Its latest television advertisements show a woman caressing tissue infused with hand lotion.

The New York Times reported a 40% rise in sales of luxury brands of toilet paper in 2008. Paper companies are anxious to keep those percentages up, even as the recession bites. And Reuters reported that Kimberly-Clark spent $25m in its third quarter on advertising to persuade Americans against trusting their bottoms to cheaper brands.

But Kimberly-Clark, which touts its green credentials on its website, rejects the idea that it is pushing destructive products on an unwitting American public.

Dave Dixon, a company spokesman, said toilet paper and tissue from recycled fibre had been on the market for years. If Americans wanted to buy them, they could.

"For bath tissue Americans in particular like the softness and strength that virgin fibres provides," Dixon said. "It's the quality and softness the consumers in America have come to expect."

Longer fibres in virgin wood are easier to lay out and fluff up for a softer tissue. Dixon said the company used products from sustainbly farmed forests in Canada.

Americans already consume vastly more paper than any other country about three times more per person than the average European, and 100 times more than the average person in China.

Barely a third of the paper products sold in America are from recycled sources most of it comes from virgin forests.

"I really do think it is overwhelmingly an American phenomenom," said Hershkowitz. "People just don't understand that softness equals ecological destruction."
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:51 PM
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sandpaper for butt wiping
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:58 PM
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Or like they did in "Demolition Man" they used sea shells.

It looks like I'll have to tell my parents to stockpile the Costco brand tp.
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:13 PM
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Or like they did in "Demolition Man" they used sea shells.

It looks like I'll have to tell my parents to stockpile the Costco brand tp.
did your dad do 20 years? you can shop at the Exchange, right?
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:27 PM
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Yes he did, but the Exchange don't have tp in bulk. And as soft as Charmin is, it clogs the toliet.
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:31 PM
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Yes he did, but the Exchange don't have tp in bulk. And as soft as Charmin is, it clogs the toliet.
are you sure it's the Charmin that's clogging it
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:52 PM
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are you sure it's the Charmin that's clogging it


For my Dad's case yes it is. My case it's something else. I can't use my parents' bathroom because it don't like me.
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:03 PM
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For my Dad's case yes it is. My case it's something else. I can't use my parents' bathroom because it don't like me.
wait, you're saying your dad's clogging is because of the Charmin but yours is something else?
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:04 PM
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courtesy flushes, Danelle....those always work.
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Old 02-28-2009, 10:15 PM
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Yes, mine is something else, but I blame the toliet.

And don't even get me start about courtesy flushes, I do enough of them around here for my Dad. He's is the wadder of the house, and 90% of the time doesn't flushes. He leaves it to me, my Mom, or bro and then one of us gets blamed for clogging the toliet. It's not fair.
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