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Old 09-10-2010, 04:52 PM
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I was just going to post on this with an article abot Aoki

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...yle-is-boring/

It sounds like sour grapes in my opinion. They can't stop it because they don't have it in there country so they complain. This is MMA, and maybe the refs need to be more active, but then that is something else that is set up for fans to complain about.

I did like the 10 minute round 1 in Pride. It seemed to take away the lay and pray style because the round was longer. I also felt that the yellow card was an interesting play for passive fighters. Also scoring the entire fight as a whole instead of giving scores based on rounds. I think the UFC could take some of these procedures and make their fights a little bit faster paced,

Or maybe Aoki and Hardy need to learn how to stop a double leg, sprawl and brawl. It worked for Liddell, stop the takedown keep wrestlers on their feet. Good stratedgy.

GSP, and Maynard have to be more active instead of just controlling in the top position, absolutely, but goes on the bottom need to stop rolling up like turtles and hoping for the ref to stand the up again. Less and less fighters are trying to win fights from the bottom position anymore, guys are not attempting or challenging their opponents with attempted triangles, rolling for arm bars, and kimoras. They get conservative because they don't want to get pounded by Maynard and GSP while attempting subs.

This is MMA, not kick boxing or boxing, if Hardy wants guys to stand and bang with him, he is in the wrong sport. Simple as that.
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Old 09-10-2010, 05:01 PM
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I was just going to post on this with an article abot Aoki

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...yle-is-boring/

It sounds like sour grapes in my opinion. They can't stop it because they don't have it in there country so they complain. This is MMA, and maybe the refs need to be more active, but then that is something else that is set up for fans to complain about.

I did like the 10 minute round 1 in Pride. It seemed to take away the lay and pray style because the round was longer. I also felt that the yellow card was an interesting play for passive fighters. Also scoring the entire fight as a whole instead of giving scores based on rounds. I think the UFC could take some of these procedures and make their fights a little bit faster paced,

Or maybe Aoki and Hardy need to learn how to stop a double leg, sprawl and brawl. It worked for Liddell, stop the takedown keep wrestlers on their feet. Good stratedgy.
Exactly, can you imagine awrestler saying "he stops my takedowns but doesn't KO me"

GSP, and Maynard have to be more active instead of just controlling in the top position, absolutely, but goes on the bottom need to stop rolling up like turtles and hoping for the ref to stand the up again. Less and less fighters are trying to win fights from the bottom position anymore, guys are not attempting or challenging their opponents with attempted triangles, rolling for arm bars, and kimoras. They get conservative because they don't want to get pounded by Maynard and GSP while attempting subs.
GSP and Maynard are not in the same category ... GSP pounds the hell out of guys and at leasts attempts to sub people ... gray does none of this .. but he still is busy from the topThis is MMA, not kick boxing or boxing, if Hardy wants guys to stand and bang with him, he is in the wrong sport. Simple as that.
but yeah, i hear ya ...
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Old 09-10-2010, 06:45 PM
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but yeah, i hear ya ...
I agree with you rearnakedchoke. GSP pounds and grinds hes opponets and tries submission while Maynard just holds and probalby prays im not sure... I doubt it since refs never stand him up lol.
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Old 09-10-2010, 11:22 PM
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I wasn't saying that GSP was a lay and pray specialist, although he did very little damage to Hardy in his last fight, but he did go for at least one sub in every round. GSP is very technical on the ground, very controlling, but he certainly didn't go out of his way for a stoppage via ground and pound.

I also think Maynard is getting a bum rap from several fans and competitors, sure he didn't put on an interesting fight against Florian, but I didn't see Florian go out on a limb for one sub from the bottom, he wrapped he kept pulling guard, and wrapping Maynard up, it looked like he was hanging on for dear life begging for a stand up.

Call Maynard boring, but the fact is he hasn't been stopped. He does need to take a few more risks with his ground and pound, do a better job of controlling his posture so he can land shots and not let his arms get trapped.
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:53 PM
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I grew up in Oklahoma and learned to appreciate the skills that good wrestlers have. One thing I noticed then, and still see now in MMA if both fighters are good wrestlers, lay and pray is impossible. You see switches, reverses, and a lot of counter moves.

Bottom line, and I think Florian sees this, is a fighter needs to have a balanced skill set.

So for those Brits who don't have wrestling in their country, I am sure the HIT Squad would be happy to have them as clients.
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Old 09-11-2010, 02:35 PM
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I was just going to post on this with an article abot Aoki

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...yle-is-boring/

It sounds like sour grapes in my opinion. They can't stop it because they don't have it in there country so they complain. This is MMA, and maybe the refs need to be more active, but then that is something else that is set up for fans to complain about.

I did like the 10 minute round 1 in Pride. It seemed to take away the lay and pray style because the round was longer. I also felt that the yellow card was an interesting play for passive fighters. Also scoring the entire fight as a whole instead of giving scores based on rounds. I think the UFC could take some of these procedures and make their fights a little bit faster paced,

Or maybe Aoki and Hardy need to learn how to stop a double leg, sprawl and brawl. It worked for Liddell, stop the takedown keep wrestlers on their feet. Good stratedgy.

GSP, and Maynard have to be more active instead of just controlling in the top position, absolutely, but goes on the bottom need to stop rolling up like turtles and hoping for the ref to stand the up again. Less and less fighters are trying to win fights from the bottom position anymore, guys are not attempting or challenging their opponents with attempted triangles, rolling for arm bars, and kimoras. They get conservative because they don't want to get pounded by Maynard and GSP while attempting subs.

This is MMA, not kick boxing or boxing, if Hardy wants guys to stand and bang with him, he is in the wrong sport. Simple as that.
if anything aoki wants a wrestler to take him down though.... nobody is gonna lay n pray on him without losing an arm
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Old 09-12-2010, 04:06 AM
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Less and less fighters are trying to win fights from the bottom position anymore, guys are not attempting or challenging their opponents with attempted triangles, rolling for arm bars, and kimoras. They get conservative because they don't want to get pounded by Maynard and GSP while attempting subs
the issue is that fighters dont get points for trying a submission. All they end up doing is wasting energy, they are better off just trying to hold and and force a standup.
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Old 09-13-2010, 12:33 AM
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the issue is that fighters dont get points for trying a submission. All they end up doing is wasting energy, they are better off just trying to hold and and force a standup.
Then why are wrestlers getting the blame for boring fights then?
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:43 AM
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Then why are wrestlers getting the blame for boring fights then?
ooooooh no he didnt
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Then why are wrestlers getting the blame for boring fights then?
I completely agree. Just like a striker moving backwards can still be the aggressor in the fight if he's a counter puncher (a la Anderson Silva), the guy on his back can be the aggressor in the fight if he's being active & hunting for subs.

Or at least, that's how it should be. Trust Cecil Peoples to come out with a statement saying "Armbars don't win fights", though.
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