Tonight A Legend is made, A Legend is reborn

[J.B.]

Originally Posted by Blade

Silva was exposed good and proper and so was his chin. He sucks and I look forward to the day when someone knocks him cold.

Exposed?

So you weren't aware that Silva has mediocre takedown defense?

His chin? You mean the one that was barely phased by Chael after 23 minutes?

TUF is on Spike TV, not PPV.

[Jonlion]

Originally Posted by F34R

I certainly don't hate silva, but he's far from a legend.

Why did he take it down? Why does AS like to stand? That's just a stupid question, and one you already know the answer to

If you think he's a legend, by all means, that's fine by me. I don't think so, and for the reasons I stated.

Not saying your guilty of this but people don't seem to give any allowance to AS when he decides not to engage on the ground with black belt ground specialist.

I think its wrong because in the same way sonnen went for the takedown because thats where his strength lies. Can't blame him for that.

If you stack up who you place in legendary status I simply fail to see how this cannot include him. He has really and truly surpassed Liddell and Hughes purely from a record stance. In the end that can't be denied.

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by Jonlion

Your kidding right?

It is exactly this performance that makes a legend. When hughes beat GSP first time - he was having a rough time of it and the pulled of a masterful sub. It shows real class to perform when under the cosh. That is a champion, thats what makes legends.

The objective is the win - Sonnen smashed up Anderson, Anderson was almost KO'd in the first. However he hung on showing heart, chin, stamina, guts and courage -he then toook those sort of bombs for 5 Rounds and still remained a threat. He hurt Chael with a shot - he came at him and impressivly cut up Chael from the bottom.

To pull the win out in adversity, whilst in the clutches of defeat is what makes you great not just dominating everyone -which he duly has by the way.

He is a human - he showed tonight he is limited in ability - he does tire, he can beat to the punch its just a shame no one has brought it out against him apart from Chael.

Those same words can be used to describe Chael Sonnen in that fight.

Like JB pointed out to me before I crashed this morning Dana can be over-the-top in his comments sometimes. Anderson won, he is a champion and will most likely go down as a legend, but I'm like some of the others, I wouldn't have used this particular fight to bring up the word legend.

I think it's safe to say before the fight Anderson viewed Chael with disdain, but I dare say now, he probably has some degree of respect for Chael, the fighter.

Dana used Matt's fight in Trigg 2 as a comparison to what Anderson did last night, I don't agree with that at all. Anderson got the win, but Chael owned that match. Matt not only turned the tide on Trigg, he filleted him and served him up on the platter.

[Jonlion]

Originally Posted by J.B.

The point is, Chael wasn't winning the standup game. He wanted no part of the standup game for any real length of time because he knew his only chance of winning was to grind out for 25 minutes. Chael threw everything he had, and it wasn't nearly enough. His sub defense has always been a liability and it was just a matter of time. Silva almost had that kimura locked up at the end of the 2nd round, if that had happened it would be a much different discussion today. Chael did what we knew he could do, but he never really hurt Anderson and wasn't close to putting him away.

Silva's record speaks for itself, but if you wanna fish for reasons to discredit the man then by all means, go right ahead. I just think it's funny that people are acting like Silva was exposed or like Chael Sonnen is something he isn't.

I think Anderson was rocked but such respect for the way he rode through. He must have his face in the epsom salts because he doesn't seem to cut. 1st round he was rocked and could barely defend but afterwards he fought brilliantly from the bank - just look at Sonnens face.

He showed great skill and dymanism and guts to hang in. Absolute respect.

Originally Posted by J.B.

Exposed?

So you weren't aware that Silva has mediocre takedown defense?

His chin? You mean the one that was barely phased by Chael after 23 minutes?

TUF is on Spike TV, not PPV.

No, I mean his chin that caused him to be badly wobbled by someone with minimal punching power in the very first round. Sonnen got the best of it on the feet and on the ground up until the sub. And it took your hero nearly 25 mins to submit someone who has pathetic submission defence and glaring weaknesses in that area. Sonnen showed that Silva's stand-up is not that amazing and it's not hard to take him down and batter him. I call that being exposed. And his victories in his last few fights have been against people who were scared stiff of him and beaten before they stepped into the Octagon with him.

And btw I think you should consider changing your name to DB

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by Jonlion

Not saying your guilty of this but people don't seem to give any allowance to AS when he decides not to engage on the ground with black belt ground specialist.

I think its wrong because in the same way sonnen went for the takedown because thats where his strength lies. Can't blame him for that.

If you stack up who you place in legendary status I simply fail to see how this cannot include him. He has really and truly surpassed Liddell and Hughes purely from a record stance. In the end that can't be denied.

That's fine, but why do people want to say Anderson has a right to be upset when his opponents choose not to engage him standing up (Leites and Maia as examples). Seems like a double standard if people want to give Anderson that allowance but not his opponents.

[J.B.]

Originally Posted by Blade

No, I mean his chin that caused him to be badly wobbled by someone with minimal punching power in the very first round. Sonnen got the best of it on the feet and on the ground up until the sub. And it took your hero nearly 25 mins to submit someone who has pathetic submission defence and glaring weaknesses in that area. Sonnen showed that Silva's stand-up is not that amazing and it's not hard to take him down and batter him. I call that being exposed. And his victories in his last few fights have been against people who were scared stiff of him and beaten before they stepped into the Octagon with him.

And btw I think you should consider changing your name to DB

This is exactly the type of ignorance that makes MMA such a fun sport to discuss.

Originally Posted by J.B.

This is exactly the type of ignorance that makes MMA such a fun sport to discuss.

What you call ignorance, I call facts.

[Vizion]

Anderson got clowned for 23 minutes and lucked out at the end bc Chael didn't finish him. If Chael can learn how finish fights Anderson is doomed next time.

And on the evidence of last night, if he goes up to middleweight then Jake Shields would beat Anderson Silva whilst sipping a cognac and puffing on a cigar.