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Old 05-21-2010, 06:31 PM
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He can "plan" til the cows crawl out of that f'ed up hair of his it's never going to happened.
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Old 05-21-2010, 09:24 PM
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KOS has a much better BJJ defense and wrestling game than Hardy,
simply because he has years training in BJJ, and a lifetime in wrestling.
GSP will NOT submit KOS, ever.

Can KOS KO GSP? Maybe, but unlikely.
Surely though it is his best hope.
That a bold statement right there. I think his wrestling game plays very little part in sub defence at an elite MMA level as he would have never trained of his back. His BJJ is better than Hardyís? Why Hardy trains with arguably the best Jujitsu trainer in the world (note I did say arguably) and on the strength of that he is opening a franchise in hardyís home town. I think Hardyís BJJ is probably as good if not better than KOSís and must admit I have GSP subbing him all day. Guess we will have to wait and see.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:21 PM
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That a bold statement right there. I think his wrestling game plays very little part in sub defence at an elite MMA level as he would have never trained of his back. His BJJ is better than Hardyís? Why Hardy trains with arguably the best Jujitsu trainer in the world (note I did say arguably) and on the strength of that he is opening a franchise in hardyís home town. I think Hardyís BJJ is probably as good if not better than KOSís and must admit I have GSP subbing him all day. Guess we will have to wait and see.
Not really a bold statement at all.
KOS hasn't been subbed in over 5 years (14 fights).
Once in his career.
GSP has one submission win in 5 years.

So let's be realistic here.
GSP is not going to submit KOS.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:23 PM
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Not really a bold statement at all.
KOS hasn't been subbed in over 5 years (14 fights).
Once in his career.
GSP has one submission win in 5 years.

So let's be realistic here.
GSP is not going to submit KOS.
so realistically atom Kos has better sub defense then Matt Hughes??? You be realistic for once and stop hating
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:24 PM
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His BJJ is better than Hardyís? Why Hardy trains with arguably the best Jujitsu trainer in the world (note I did say arguably) and on the strength of that he is opening a franchise in hardyís home town. I think Hardyís BJJ is probably as good if not better than KOSís and must admit I have GSP subbing him all day. Guess we will have to wait and see.
Hardy is a purple belt from Eddie Bravo.
a man who has NO black belts, NO world titles, no ADCC championships, etc...
in fact, none of his pupils have ADCC titles, world grappling titles, etc...
How you could say he is arguably the best BJJ coach is beyond me,
maybe because Rogan trains with him, and constantly talks about him.
Think for yourself.
Eddie (10th planet) has produced NO grappling champions, and no MMA champions.
Eddie himself has NO MMA creds, and NO grappling tites.

Furthermore,
KOS has been training for nearly a decade (to Hardy's 3?) with top notch grapplers at AKA.
Not to mention his lifetime of wrestling, that builds onto BJJ very well.
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Old 05-21-2010, 10:26 PM
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so realistically atom Kos has better sub defense then Matt Hughes??? You be realistic for once and stop hating
Way to go completely off subject.
This is about KOS and GSP, not Hughes.

maybe KOS does have better BJJ defense than Matt,
hard to say honestly, Matt has WAY more fights,
and I know when BJ subbed him he was rocked from the punch,
and one of the GSP losses he was also rocked heavy (Can't recall if it was the armbar).
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:00 PM
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Way to go completely off subject.
This is about KOS and GSP, not Hughes.

maybe KOS does have better BJJ defense than Matt,
hard to say honestly, Matt has WAY more fights,
and I know when BJ subbed him he was rocked from the punch,
and one of the GSP losses he was also rocked heavy (Can't recall if it was the armbar).
how is it off subject... you stated in your post that GSP had only one sub win the last five years that sub win was over Hughes.. In the same post you said realistically GSP wont sub Kos implying it was unlikely or even impossible. My point being realistically if he could submitt Hughes who has more Expierience in both submission grappling and mma why cant he do it to Koscheck???
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There's a lot of validity to what Kos is saying. When he was in college, he placed 4th as a Freshman, 3rd as a Sophomore, 1st as a Junior, and 2nd as a Senior. Currently, there isn't anybody in MMA with a wrestling pedigree like that.

During the times he fought GSP, he was only working on his striking. If Kos takes it seriously, I have no doubt he can dictate where the fight takes place. GSP is an incredible athlete, but you can be sure he's not going to take Kos' words lightly.
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Old 05-21-2010, 11:46 PM
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how is it off subject... you stated in your post that GSP had only one sub win the last five years that sub win was over Hughes.. In the same post you said realistically GSP wont sub Kos implying it was unlikely or even impossible. My point being realistically if he could submitt Hughes who has more Expierience in both submission grappling and mma why cant he do it to Koscheck???
I didn't say its impossible, its highly unlikely.
The odds if you have *1* submission in 5 years that you're going to sub a guy with 1 sub loss in 5 years is pretty slim. Be realistic.
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Old 05-22-2010, 12:02 AM
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I didn't say its impossible, its highly unlikely.
The odds if you have *1* submission in 5 years that you're going to sub a guy with 1 sub loss in 5 years is pretty slim. Be realistic.
N the odds of a grappler knocking out somone who hasnt been koed before are less likely but serra did it to GSP... Then you picked him to do it again in the rematch despite how unlikely it was that it happened the first time... somtimes our bias blinds us from reality right atom?
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