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Old 05-09-2010, 06:07 PM
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Here's GREAT article by Ben Fowlkes over at MMAFighting.com:

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To those who don't know better, it must seem painfully ironic. You can sucker punch an opposing player in baseball, and the worst you'll get is a brief suspension. You can do it in hockey and all is forgiven within a few minutes.

But if you do it in MMA, a sport where punching other people in the face is a major part of the job description, it will get you fired.

We may not have known this until Paul Daley walked up to Josh Koscheck well after their bout at UFC 113 was officially over and smacked him with a left hook, but we certainly should have assumed. Especially when we consider the kind of mood Dana White's been in lately.

"He's done," the UFC president said of Daley, who was fired before he could even get to the post-fight press conference. "I don't care if he's the best 170-pounder in the world, he'll never fight in the UFC again."

No five-game suspension. No five-minute penalty. We're talking scorched earth here. We're talking Old Testament-style retribution. Banned for life from the top organization in the sport, and rightly so.

When you think about it, MMA fighters deserve the least leeway when it comes to a post-competition cheap shot like Daley's. We can all understand why a soccer player might get frustrated after ninety minutes of jersey grabbing and shin-kicking. If he loses his cool and swats an opposing player, some little part of us feels elated that he finally did it.

But a pro fighter? There's no other job in the world where you get that many opportunities to punch your rival during regular business hours. Daley had a full fifteen minutes to express his feelings through violence. The fact that he chose to unload almost ten seconds after the final horn tells us that it wasn't so much the chance to hit Koscheck that he was after it was the chance to hit him without being hit back.

That's the real reason Daley's actions were so reprehensible. He'd just spent three rounds trying to lay hands on Koscheck. For the most part, he failed. He couldn't stay upright and off his back long enough to do what he wanted to do, so instead he waited until Koscheck turned his back. That's the worst kind of cowardly malice. It's something that an organization like the UFC can't tolerate even just a little bit.

Of course, because he simply can't ever allow himself to become a sympathetic character, Koscheck responded a few minutes later by verbally berating the Montreal crowd, insulting their holiest institution (the Habs) and vowing to beat their most revered MMA hero (Georges St. Pierre), before then paradoxically inviting everyone to come hang out at his after-party.

This, in combination with what seemed on the replay like a brilliant acting job after an attempted illegal knee from Daley, solidifies Koscheck's position as one of the UFC's most despised heels. Even when he's been legitimately and inarguably wronged, it's still almost impossible to support the guy.

Afterwards, Koscheck said that he may have baited Daley with some verbal taunting late in the fight, but suggested that it probably wasn't anything he'd lose any sleep over. On that point, it's hard to blame him.

Daley spent weeks before the fight calling Koscheck everything but the rightful King of England. Then they both got their allotted and agreed upon block of time to do something about their mutual dislike. It was Koscheck who made the better use of that time, and for that Daley has only himself to blame.

Maybe he didn't care for Koscheck's fighting style, and maybe he didn't like what Koscheck was whispering in his ear as the final seconds ticked away. But Daley can't ever say that he wasn't given plenty of chances to respond within the confines of the rules.

He couldn't do it, so he decided to try for a cheap shot instead. He reminded us why fighting outside the confines of sport is usually so ugly and mean. He resorted to a garden variety sucker punch, and even that was mostly blocked.

It's a shame, too. Since that was the last punch Daley will probably ever get to throw in the UFC, he really should have made sure it was a good one.
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Old 05-09-2010, 06:26 PM
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I agree... which is a bit hypocritical of me seeing as I earlier said Kos deserved it lol. On one had, i was disgraceful of Daley... sure. On the other hand, I think Kos should be dealt with harshly as this is the second fight in a row that it is shown that he is faking a blow.
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:05 PM
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
I hate it when people fake the hit also, but to say that they shouldd be punished for it is lame. Its a punk move and the fans will take it out on them and that is punishment enough. Sounds to me lke some people are just crying about Kos whipping the brit.
I bet he goes back to england and looks up the definition of a Div.1 wrestler. lol
not a Kos fan but after last night, I have a little spot for him.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:43 AM
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Daley got what he deserved. He jumped over the fence of disrespect to the UFC and to MMA with his actions.

Koscheck, also disrespect the sport with wis "flopping", and his verbal taunting of his opponent throughout the fight. Not to mention his totally disrespect for the city and country he was fighting in, to the people that paid to watch him fight with his post-fight news conference.

Like the article posted above, Kos wants to be the heel, he wants to be disliked and it has been this way since his season on TUF.

He can be grouped into the likes of Nick, and Nate Diaz, and also Paul Daley.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:02 AM
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You don't get banned for life from the NFL/NBA or MLB for punching a FAN,
let along another sportsman.

This punishment is unjust, and a joke.
Nate Diaz gets in no trouble for 2 brawls on national television.
Josh Koscheck fakes an injury 2 fights in a row, no trouble at all.
He also admitted to talking a bunch of crap the last minute of the fight,
this is also illegal. No points taken.

*shrug*
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:57 AM
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well, a couple of websites are reporting kos said to daley he was gonna rape his mother .. don't know if it is true, but if it is, kos is a douche ... daley still deserves to get banned, but oh well ... too bad he didn't land clean for his sake ...
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Old 05-10-2010, 02:30 AM
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Talk is just talk... it looked like they were both talking trash in the cage during the fight.

NBA/NFL and whatever.. their sport is not fighting.. The rules are CLEAR for the UFC.


22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.

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24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area. So maybe this wasn't heard.. or they were both running off at the mouth..

This wasn't a punch that landed as the horn sounded.. or even after a second or so after.. they were on the ground.. Dan broke it up, they walked away from each other..

Total piece of fecal matter to do what Paul did.. a loser, no honor, spineless, and not worthy of fighting in the UFC...

Renato kept a hold..which is "almost" as bad as Paul.. and what happened was justified...

If people want to fight like that.. head in to the back yard.. Kimbo will be waiting for you.
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Old 05-10-2010, 02:53 AM
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Talk is just talk... it looked like they were both talking trash in the cage during the fight.

22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.

There is also...

24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area. So maybe this wasn't heard.. or they were both running off at the mouth..
No, talk is not just talk, its a rule lol
Sport or not, You tell me you're gonna rape my mother,
and I am hitting you, more than once, bell or no bell.

24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.

KOS broke just as many rules as Daley did.
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Old 05-10-2010, 02:58 AM
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Daley is actually lucky that being cut from the UFC is all that happened. He could have easily been arrested and charged with assault.
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Old 05-10-2010, 03:20 AM
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Daley is actually lucky that being cut from the UFC is all that happened. He could have easily been arrested and charged with assault.
Eh, in Canada? So they would do what? send him home?
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