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Old 02-21-2009, 07:10 PM
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I also disagree with government bailing out the auto industry. Where does it end?
I dont like the idea either but you can't just let them die. A lot of lost jobs there. I think the higher ups need to be looked into on exactly what the problem is and if its them they should be let go and see how to fix it. and the government can quit getting harder on them about emissions because they have to spend more money on finding newer ways to lower the emissions.......

On a side note can you imagine all the imported car driving around I know toyota has a car factory here and their doin good and all but did they have to ruin NASCAR
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:18 PM
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I disagree and also dont like you very much

Concise! Short, sweet and right to the point! I love you Ben!
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Old 02-21-2009, 07:40 PM
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I dont like the idea either but you can't just let them die. A lot of lost jobs there. I think the higher ups need to be looked into on exactly what the problem is and if its them they should be let go and see how to fix it. and the government can quit getting harder on them about emissions because they have to spend more money on finding newer ways to lower the emissions.......

On a side note can you imagine all the imported car driving around I know toyota has a car factory here and their doin good and all but did they have to ruin NASCAR
I disagreed with all of the bailouts. The government needs to stay out of private industry. If GM, Chrysler and Ford have mismanaged their affairs so badly that they're companies are failing, then they need to be allowed to go into bankruptcy. And that doesn't necessarily mean the end of the company, it's just a forced restructuring.

Marvel Comics (the company who created Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, X-Men, etc.) declared bankruptcy back in the late 90s when the comic book market collapsed. That forced them to rethink how they do EVERYTHING and, as a result, comic books today are much better quality and Marvel is actually producing some of the most profitable movies in film history (Spider-Man 1-3, Iron Man, Hulk, X-Men 1-3, etc.).

So bankruptcy would not necessarily be the end of Ford, GM and Chrysler; but it would be the end of them in their current forms. However, you can bet that the cars that they would be producing post-bankruptcy would not be the gas guzzling wastes that we see today.
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:04 PM
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I agree. If everyone wasn't so effin' greedy they never would have gotten into this mess.Why do the people high up in companies have to make millions, or even billions when they can live just fine off of hundreds of thousands
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:04 PM
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I dont like the idea either but you can't just let them die.
Sure you can. Do you honestly think those plants would stay empty? Other more successful car companies like Toyota would jump at the chance to increase both production and market share in the U.S.

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A lot of lost jobs there. I think the higher ups need to be looked into on exactly what the problem is and if its them they should be let go and see how to fix it. and the government can quit getting harder on them about emissions because they have to spend more money on finding newer ways to lower the emissions.......
It's not the government's job to provide employment or guarantee success in business. If the companies go under because of mismanagement, that's the fault of the company, not the government. It's bad for the employees, but they also bear some of the blame for allowing and encouraging the UAW to extort ridiculous wages and benefit packages from the car companies. When an unskilled labor position pays $50,000 a year, something's wrong.

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On a side note can you imagine all the imported car driving around I know toyota has a car factory here and their doin good and all but did they have to ruin NASCAR
It's the classic American way. Build a better product at a reasonable price and you'll be successful. Build a marginally decent product at an inflatable price and the market will eat you alive. The idea that big companies should get help from the government just because they're big companies is ridiculous. There are options such as bankruptcy court that can allow them to reorganize and restructure so they can be more successful, and that's all they should get.
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:07 PM
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I agree. If everyone wasn't so effin' greedy they never would have gotten into this mess.Why do the people high up in companies have to make millions, or even billions when they can live just fine off of hundreds of thousands
Same reason we're not satisfied with being comfortable. No matter how much you have, if someone asks you how much you want the answer will be "just a little bit more".

You have a nice car, but you'd like something just a little nicer. Your house is nice but you'd like a little bigger yard, more bathrooms, a nicer garage, etc. Your job is ok but you'd like a little more vacation time, shorter hours, nicer desk/office/computer, etc...

No matter what people have, they're almost never satisfied. I think it's human nature to want to improve your position no matter how good the position is. If you're the best at something, you'll start looking at other areas to challenge yourself (such as moving up and down in weight classes in MMA). You know what I mean?
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Old 02-21-2009, 08:43 PM
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I disagreed with all of the bailouts. The government needs to stay out of private industry. If GM, Chrysler and Ford have mismanaged their affairs so badly that they're companies are failing, then they need to be allowed to go into bankruptcy. And that doesn't necessarily mean the end of the company, it's just a forced restructuring.

Marvel Comics (the company who created Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, X-Men, etc.) declared bankruptcy back in the late 90s when the comic book market collapsed. That forced them to rethink how they do EVERYTHING and, as a result, comic books today are much better quality and Marvel is actually producing some of the most profitable movies in film history (Spider-Man 1-3, Iron Man, Hulk, X-Men 1-3, etc.).

So bankruptcy would not necessarily be the end of Ford, GM and Chrysler; but it would be the end of them in their current forms. However, you can bet that the cars that they would be producing post-bankruptcy would not be the gas guzzling wastes that we see today.
agreed, if they declare chapter 11 bankruptcy, that allows them to restructure the way they do things, it wouldn't be good to lose all those jobs, but at the same time, how can you ensure that money goes to the right place; they have mismanaged one of the top industries in america this badly, whose to say that extra money won't get mismanaged as well, more money won't help if their corporate structure is still poor....Oh and how do we know that money will go to the actual business...Remember the bank bailout and reports came out that some of that money went to huge bonuses for the CEO's...are we so sure that the auto industry won't do something similar?
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:04 PM
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I think the money for the stilmulus package is not a bad idea, but the money for the auto industry bailout is the big mistake ... they should let the american auto industry die if they can run their companies right ... at least the stimulus plan is for most people, the auto bailout are only for those in the business of selling inferior products

Thats why I dont like you that kind of comment about American products is absurd.
I disagree with bailouts totally. But if you give a bailout to the banks why not auto industry. See what I am getting at is this should have never started but since it has where does it stop. Now they want One National Bank comeon the last thing we need is more government. But regretfully thats the opposite of Democrat platforms that stress Bigger Government. And to top it off we have a President who is a Socialise
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:08 PM
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Thats why I dont like you that kind of comment about American products is absurd.
I disagree with bailouts totally. But if you give a bailout to the banks why not auto industry. See what I am getting at is this should have never started but since it has where does it stop. Now they want One National Bank comeon the last thing we need is more government. But regretfully thats the opposite of Democrat platforms that stress Bigger Government. And to top it off we have a President who is a Socialise
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Old 02-21-2009, 09:16 PM
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two wrongs don't make a right
I understand that but what I am saying is that every political figure has a group that backs them. You see where I am going? And they will scratch their fellow Political coworkers only if they will scratch theirs. It's yeah I will help you get your bill passed but you have to help me with mine. It is a visious cycle but that is American Government. This is out of control
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