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Old 04-19-2010, 02:56 PM
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I know Dana has mentioned this more than once in interviews, and I certainly agree. I've seen so many rights where I'm saying "if he could use knees right there, this fight would be over!"

I think it would be perfectly reasonable not to allow a knee strike coming straight down (jsut like they don't with elbows) however.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:00 PM
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I know Dana has mentioned this more than once in interviews, and I certainly agree. I've seen so many rights where I'm saying "if he could use knees right there, this fight would be over!"

I think it would be perfectly reasonable not to allow a knee strike coming straight down (jsut like they don't with elbows) however.
I am torn about kicks and knees to the head of a downed opponet..

I remember Jen's last fight in Pride.. (it was actually just shown last week).. It was a shin to the face that got Jens back to the .500 in Pride.. but man.. soccer kicks to the head .. I don't know.
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Old 04-19-2010, 03:50 PM
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Does anyone know what the injury rates were in the early promotions compared to now? I donít remember anyone getting their face broken from 12 to 6 elbows when those were legal and people were careful to defend against that.

The thing that made MMA cool in the beginning was that people could do things that were illegal in other sports, and you would not learn to do stupid stuff like relying on the rules and the ref to protect you. Are we moving away from that?
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:05 PM
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I am torn about kicks and knees to the head of a downed opponet..

I remember Jen's last fight in Pride.. (it was actually just shown last week).. It was a shin to the face that got Jens back to the .500 in Pride.. but man.. soccer kicks to the head .. I don't know.
kicks and knees are different. no one is saying let soccer kicks into the UFC. People are asking for knees though. The rule should be that no knees are allowed to the top of the head.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:26 PM
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kicks and knees are different. no one is saying let soccer kicks into the UFC. People are asking for knees though. The rule should be that no knees are allowed to the top of the head.
Yeah but all it takes is one fighter to get hit on the top of his head on accident and the other guy could die or be paralyzed. I think the rules are just fine the way they are now. If it's not broke don't fix it.
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Old 04-19-2010, 04:48 PM
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Although I would love to see knees to the head of a downed opponent added to the list of legal strikes, I doubt it will happen. That should have been pushed for when the Unified rules were being drawn up. To add new strikes to the rule book will be very tough to do. On the flip side, making things illegal would be much easier. Lets hope nothing is subtracted. Keeping it the way it is is better than making more strikes illegal.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:43 PM
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I guess I should've been more clear in my initial post. I am in no way advocating for kicks to the head of a downed opponent. The amount of force generated in such a way would be catastrophic.

The argument that "all it takes is one guy to accidentally knee someone in the top of the head..." doesn't fly. It doesn't fly for a couple of reasons: 1. How many times have we seen people like Matt pick someone up and drop them down on their head?...and how many stories of paralysis have resulted? By that lofic, we should take away the slam too. 2, Sure, there's danger there, but it is a sport where you lock two highly trained combatants in a cage after with both seeking to incapacitate the other after all.

As far as them taking things away,I really don't think that would be a good idea. If they take away elbows for instance, then the UFC might as well change its name to Strikeforce II.

Another good reason to actually have knees to the head is that it wouldn't allow fighters to relax in certain positions, which would make the ground game even more exciting. The notion that all you had to do was tie up the hands of the guy on top of you long enough to get stood back up would largely vanish too. If Matt could've used knees against Serra, that fight would NEVER have made it to a decision. I doubt he would've gotten out of the first round.
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Old 04-19-2010, 05:58 PM
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If this post was a few years ago I would have been for knees to a downed opponent. But since Pride has been long dead I favor the rule of not allowing it.
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:00 PM
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I want them to allow upkicks regardless of opponent's position. If he's above you in any form, you should be allowed to kick upwards at him. The top opponent putting his knee down as he tries to navigate around your guard should not protect him from the kicks.
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Old 04-19-2010, 07:15 PM
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I want them to allow upkicks regardless of opponent's position. If he's above you in any form, you should be allowed to kick upwards at him. The top opponent putting his knee down as he tries to navigate around your guard should not protect him from the kicks.
then the same should go for a guy who puts his hands on the ground to avoid eating a knee.
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