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Old 04-14-2010, 05:30 AM
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Douglas Crosby (one of the judges from that fight) put it rightly.

“In my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn. I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently".
I can't fully agree with that statement, though I would agree that Edgar dictated the tone of the fight. We saw the same thing happen with Sherk, except Sherk refused to face that he's not a boxer.

I scored the fight 48-47 Penn, but I was fully expecting a split dec. 48-47 48-47 47-48 tally in Edgar's favor.

Regardless, thank you Frankie Edgar, you've successfully ruined my two most profitable parlays and dually convinced me to give up gambling for life (or at least until the next card Matt is on )
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Old 04-14-2010, 02:52 PM
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Douglas Crosby (one of the judges from that fight) put it rightly.

“In my considered opinion, Edgar dictated the tone of the fight, successfully implemented and executed a strategy, landed better strikes, and basically outworked Penn. I re-watched the fight in my hotel in Abu Dhabi and saw nothing that would influence me to score it any differently".
my only issue with that is it says nothing about the fact that BJ stopped a lot of takedowns. Is tis judge saying he did not take into account the failed takedowns of Edgar?


but hey in the end every judge sees a fight differently.
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Old 04-14-2010, 03:09 PM
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my only issue with that is it says nothing about the fact that BJ stopped a lot of takedowns. Is tis judge saying he did not take into account the failed takedowns of Edgar?


but hey in the end every judge sees a fight differently.
Yep, I guess people fail to recognize that. Also that while BJ was fighting for Frankie's gameplan, he was in fact the one with octagon control. Frankie danced around alot more than actually controlling the action. Also while Frankie threw more shots, I'm pretty sure Penn connected on more(I could be wrong though). The first 2 rounds without a doubt were Penn, and the next three were close. If you could score a round I probably would of scored 3-5 even, and the first 2 rounds 10-9 BJ, getting a scored of 50 to 48, with BJ winning.

I think the Judges were swayed by Frankie just moving around a ton(shouldn't be given points for that), also that people were expecting BJ to dominate and he didn't(shouldn't have made a difference in the real scoring), and lastly BJ gassing(which I don't think makes a difference in scoring, but I could be wrong...).
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Old 04-14-2010, 07:03 PM
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Yep, I guess people fail to recognize that. Also that while BJ was fighting for Frankie's gameplan, he was in fact the one with octagon control. Frankie danced around alot more than actually controlling the action.
I can agree with this. Different fighters have different game plans, Frankie wanted to dance around and BJ was content with standing there and waiting for Frankie to come to him and then he threw. One is not a better they are just different. Its like in the Machida vs Shogun fight. Shogun was willing to chase and Machida was willing to back up and make Shogun come get him. Its not like one was better than the other they were just different.
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Old 04-14-2010, 08:44 PM
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I pretty clearly scored the first 3 rounds for BJ.

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I cannot think of how anybody would score all 5 for Frankie
Thats how I saw the rounds, and yeah, 50 to 45 seems bogus. Odd we dont see more posts about the odd scoring.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:19 PM
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I can agree with this. Different fighters have different game plans, Frankie wanted to dance around and BJ was content with standing there and waiting for Frankie to come to him and then he threw. One is not a better they are just different. Its like in the Machida vs Shogun fight. Shogun was willing to chase and Machida was willing to back up and make Shogun come get him. Its not like one was better than the other they were just different.
Double standards much?
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:24 PM
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Double standards much?
why do you say that?
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:45 PM
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why do you say that?
Because, you are saying in one breath that Frankie was "dancing" and BJ was waiting for him to come forward and that neither one of them are wrong for working their own strategies or game-plans. Then at the same time, you even justify Machida's style against Shogun, but when it comes to GSP or Anderson Silva they are just boring fighters with no "warrior spirit" or whatever it is all the just-bleed guys call it.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:49 PM
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Because, you are saying in one breath that Frankie was "dancing" and BJ was waiting for him to come forward and that neither one of them are wrong for working their own strategies or game-plans. Then at the same time, you even justify Machida's style against Shogun, but when it comes to GSP or Anderson Silva they are just boring fighters with no "warrior spirit" or whatever it is all the just-bleed guys call it.
They are boring but that is nothing against their strategies. GSP has a great strategy, its boring as piss to watch but its a great strategy. Same with Anderson, if he is winning there is nothing wrong with it. Would I like to see them be more exciting, yea I would, but I dont expect them to change the way they fight till they get beat.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:56 PM
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They are boring but that is nothing against their strategies. GSP has a great strategy, its boring as piss to watch but its a great strategy. Same with Anderson, if he is winning there is nothing wrong with it. Would I like to see them be more exciting, yea I would, but I dont expect them to change the way they fight till they get beat.
At least you admit that much. That's more than can be said for most fans.

The problem is that fans are fickle, and it's a "what have you done for me lately" attitude. GSP or Silva could go out and KO 10 guys in a row in the first round, and then if they have a few fights go the distance in less than aesthetically pleasing and the whole fight community will crap all over them.

No fighter is beyond it, not BJ, not Fedor, not even Matt. It's sad but true, and it's why I take so much issue with fans frivolous and typically senseless rantings.
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