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Old 03-06-2010, 10:21 PM
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Jesus addressed it as did Paul. It was not called a tithes because that was assumed by the audience. SO it is a NT principal and has not ended.
Book, chapter and verse please?
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:21 PM
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NateR that does not mean you can't still tithe on you Gross.
I would agree with that. You tithe on the amount before taxes, Social Security, etc. are taken out.
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:53 AM
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Book, chapter and verse please?
Well Chuck as I said the idea of tithe was assumed and as a thou shall it is not there but the concept of tithing e.g. giving is covered by Jesus and Paul. You know better and if you are so rebellious to God that you need a book chapter and verse to tithe well good luck with your walk with Chrsit because it is game if you really think that way. But since you need them here you go.

Matt 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have neglected the weightier matters of the
law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought
to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Luke 11:42 But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and
rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice
and the love of God. These you ought to have done,
without leaving the others undone.

Jesus is addressing the pharisees attitude on tithing and how it was not done in the right spirit. He would have said it was not in the new covenant if it was not. Jesus never did away with the Spirit of the law. or why would he have instructed a man to go to the temple and offer a gift when he cleansed him as was required by the law of Moses.

Matt 8:3-4 ... And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
See that you tell no one; but go your way, show
yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that
Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.

Most accept Paul as the author of Hebrews so here is more

Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even
the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who
receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive
tithes from the people according to the law, that is,
from their brethren, though they have come from the
loins of Abraham;
:6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them
received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had
the promises.
:7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by
the better.
:8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives
them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through
Abraham, so as to speak, for he was still in the loins of this father when
Melchizedek met him.


There are more but I feel I have proved my point.

Last edited by Chris F; 03-08-2010 at 05:54 AM. Reason: Made is sound nicer
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:52 AM
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Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even
the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who
receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive
tithes from the people according to the law, that is,
from their brethren, though they have come from the
loins of Abraham;
:6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them
received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had
the promises.
:7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by
the better.
:8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives
them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through
Abraham, so as to speak, for he was still in the loins of this father when
Melchizedek met him.


What does this mean exactly? I get the tithing part and I've read the bit about Melchizedek in Genesis. Abraham had just routed the armies of the three kings to save Lot and gave a 10th of the spoils to Melchizedek before returning the rest of it to Sodom. But what does Paul mean. He's not just talking about tithing is he?
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:15 PM
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Well Chuck as I said the idea of tithe was assumed and as a thou shall it is not there but the concept of tithing e.g. giving is covered by Jesus and Paul. You know better and if you are so rebellious to God that you need a book chapter and verse to tithe well good luck with your walk with Chrsit because it is game if you really think that way. But since you need them here you go.

Matt 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have neglected the weightier matters of the
law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought
to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Luke 11:42 But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and
rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice
and the love of God. These you ought to have done,
without leaving the others undone.

Jesus is addressing the pharisees attitude on tithing and how it was not done in the right spirit. He would have said it was not in the new covenant if it was not. Jesus never did away with the Spirit of the law. or why would he have instructed a man to go to the temple and offer a gift when he cleansed him as was required by the law of Moses.

Matt 8:3-4 ... And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
See that you tell no one; but go your way, show
yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that
Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.

Most accept Paul as the author of Hebrews so here is more

Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even
the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who
receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive
tithes from the people according to the law, that is,
from their brethren, though they have come from the
loins of Abraham;
:6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them
received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had
the promises.
:7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by
the better.
:8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives
them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through
Abraham, so as to speak, for he was still in the loins of this father when
Melchizedek met him.


There are more but I feel I have proved my point.
The love of Christ is always so evident when you post Chris, thanks for that. I especially appreciate the example you are to newer Christians. Bravo!

There is a difference between a law and a concept or principal. There is a difference between giving and tithing. I was simply trying to understand your perspective. If you could ever get over yourself perhaps you could get to a place where you could pay attention to what people write and maybe even help them for a change?

You don't know what I know or don't know Chris and for you to imply that is simply ignorant. You certainly don't know my heart and to imply that I'm rebellious is arrogant. As I stated this is a subject that I'm seeking to understand more and I was foolish to think you would be anything but an ass.
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:14 AM
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Sorry Chuck since you refuse to respect me I will in no way ever return that which you do not give. Besides in your own mind you are always right even when you are given book chapter and verse. You need to learn to disagree with out being a donkey about it.
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:16 AM
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Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even
the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
:5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who
receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive
tithes from the people according to the law, that is,
from their brethren, though they have come from the
loins of Abraham;
:6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them
received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had
the promises.
:7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by
the better.
:8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives
them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
:9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through
Abraham, so as to speak, for he was still in the loins of this father when
Melchizedek met him.


What does this mean exactly? I get the tithing part and I've read the bit about Melchizedek in Genesis. Abraham had just routed the armies of the three kings to save Lot and gave a 10th of the spoils to Melchizedek before returning the rest of it to Sodom. But what does Paul mean. He's not just talking about tithing is he?
YOu are right there is a lot more to it. I think you get what you need to get and the rest is one of those issues that are difficult to undersatnd.
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Old 03-09-2010, 12:03 PM
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Sorry Chuck since you refuse to respect me I will in no way ever return that which you do not give. Besides in your own mind you are always right even when you are given book chapter and verse. You need to learn to disagree with out being a donkey about it.
your a fine one to talk Chris
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:14 PM
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Since this question came up I would like to add a question to it. I have a family member who has a million excuses why he can't work. he is able, young enough, healthy...just sorry. Anyway he tells me he is really "into God" as he puts it. He said because he doesn't work he doesn't have to give anything to God. This man is a very good and skilled worker although he is just lazy. He has many talents he could offer to a church (repairing cars, playing music or doing house repairs). It doesn't sit well with me that he thinks he doesn't have to tithe. In my mind although he doesn't have money he should tithe what he has. In his case it would be knowledge and skill to help people. He is just too lazy.

What do you think about that? I don't like him so I could just be being a little judgemental.
He sounds lazy!! I sincerly believe even after tithing if we have some skill or even labor we should help each other. That is a belief I have always had. Tell him word of the day is J*O*B..
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Old 03-09-2010, 06:33 PM
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your a fine one to talk Chris
When I am shown book chapter and verse I am willing to budge. But the has yet to happen in any heated debate I have had here.. It is usually someones tradition or denominational creed they quote. I freely admit I am a pit bull with my beliefs, but Chuck makes a show of his and then really insults you via PM. We had agreed not to engage each other but I guess he is not a man of his word either.
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