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Old 11-05-2013, 04:35 PM
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i was quite serious .. i guess tho, i should have just said Christian and not strong Christian .. you either are or aren't right? and i guess everyone should base their giving to charity based on what goes on the tax form ... donating items, volunteering time doesn't count .. in that case, mitt romney giving millions to the LDS makes him a saint!!!!

as for obama, he is doing the better job of charitible donations by changing the laws ... making sure the poor, hungry and sick are taken care of by his policies ... and when the dems win in 2016 again, the people of america will have spoken, just like they did in 2008 and 2012 ...
Did you know that the church of LDS is considered a cult by most protestant churches? Therefore, Mitt is no more a christian than you claim Obama is...........So let me get this straight, you equate Obama's policies with Christianity? His stand on abortion? His stand on gay marriage? His stand on the constitution? His stand on the interpretation of separation of church & state?

And as far as giving goes.......since when can you rob someone else of what is rightfully theirs and bestow it on someone else and truly call it giving?

It's not called giving, it's called socialism!
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Old 11-05-2013, 06:26 PM
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Did you know that the church of LDS is considered a cult by most protestant churches? Therefore, Mitt is no more a christian than you claim Obama is...........So let me get this straight, you equate Obama's policies with Christianity? His stand on abortion? His stand on gay marriage? His stand on the constitution? His stand on the interpretation of separation of church & state?

And as far as giving goes.......since when can you rob someone else of what is rightfully theirs and bestow it on someone else and truly call it giving?

It's not called giving, it's called socialism!
obama is a government official who was voted in to do what the people want .. since you have the freedom of religion, people are free to choose what religion they want to follow, and are not to be bound by what Christianity says is right and wrong ...
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Old 11-05-2013, 08:54 PM
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obama is a government official who was voted in to do what the people want .. since you have the freedom of religion, people are free to choose what religion they want to follow, and are not to be bound by what Christianity says is right and wrong ...

Uh......your the one that claimed he was a christian, right? I mean you more or less said that Obama was displaying that he is a christian by his policies. Plus, you did not answer my question............is robbing from someone else and bestowing upon another, truly giving?
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Old 11-06-2013, 01:32 PM
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as for obama, he is doing the better job of charitible donations by changing the laws ... making sure the poor, hungry and sick are taken care of by his policies ... and when the dems win in 2016 again, the people of america will have spoken, just like they did in 2008 and 2012 ...
He is causing millions to lose their already established, affordable healthcare. He is taking food off people's tables by forcing them to purchase his insurance. He is making millions of people poorer!

It takes a blind fool not to see this!

Obamacare insurance is ••••ty insurance. And it costs more than insurance was costing the people who cared about having it anyway.
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Old 11-06-2013, 03:09 PM
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He is causing millions to lose their already established, affordable healthcare. He is taking food off people's tables by forcing them to purchase his insurance. He is making millions of people poorer!

It takes a blind fool not to see this!

Obamacare insurance is ••••ty insurance. And it costs more than insurance was costing the people who cared about having it anyway.
Thats the point.

its nothing but a stealth tax, and that extra money is nothing but another income for the Federal Government.

This was NEVER about Health, NEVER about the provision of health, Never about the affordability of Health. This was about generating another income for the Federal Government.

IF you dont need the insurance, or never have to use it...dont think your money sits in some bank account rotting...its being used, to raise your debt ceiling, to spy on your activities, and to bribe votes on tightening gun restrictions

Rebellion against Tyrany is Obedience to GOD....so said a famous American once...No wonder Congress decided not to stick with that motto
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Thats the point.

its nothing but a stealth tax, and that extra money is nothing but another income for the Federal Government.

This was NEVER about Health, NEVER about the provision of health, Never about the affordability of Health. This was about generating another income for the Federal Government.

IF you dont need the insurance, or never have to use it...dont think your money sits in some bank account rotting...its being used, to raise your debt ceiling, to spy on your activities, and to bribe votes on tightening gun restrictions

Rebellion against Tyrany is Obedience to GOD....so said a famous American once...No wonder Congress decided not to stick with that motto
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:01 PM
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He is causing millions to lose their already established, affordable healthcare. He is taking food off people's tables by forcing them to purchase his insurance. He is making millions of people poorer!

It takes a blind fool not to see this!

Obamacare insurance is ••••ty insurance. And it costs more than insurance was costing the people who cared about having it anyway.
Bingo!
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Old 11-07-2013, 06:04 PM
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Thats the point.

its nothing but a stealth tax, and that extra money is nothing but another income for the Federal Government.

This was NEVER about Health, NEVER about the provision of health, Never about the affordability of Health. This was about generating another income for the Federal Government.

IF you dont need the insurance, or never have to use it...dont think your money sits in some bank account rotting...its being used, to raise your debt ceiling, to spy on your activities, and to bribe votes on tightening gun restrictions

Rebellion against Tyrany is Obedience to GOD....so said a famous American once...No wonder Congress decided not to stick with that motto
Even a britishman gets it! Dave, you need to come live here!
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:31 AM
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And as far as giving goes.......since when can you rob someone else of what is rightfully theirs and bestow it on someone else and truly call it giving?

It's not called giving, it's called socialism!
That's the core difference between Christianity and socialism. Christianity says, "What's mine in yours," and is rooted in a sense of generosity and compassion for others. Socialism says, "What's yours is mine," and is rooted in entitlement and a spirit of covetousness.

Anyways, I heard today that currently only 22% of the people logging onto the Obamacare website (or attempting to log on, because the site is non-functional) are the uninsured looking to gain health insurance. The other 78% are people who currently have health insurance, but will lose it because of Obamacare on January 1st. So basically the majority of people attempting to sign up for Obamacare are trying to keep from losing something that they already have.

How was this supposed to fix our healthcare system again? If the goal was to force millions of Americans to lose the health insurance they've been paying for for years, then I guess you could say that it succeeded.
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That's the core difference between Christianity and socialism. Christianity says, "What's mine in yours," and is rooted in a sense of generosity and compassion for others. Socialism says, "What's yours is mine," and is rooted in entitlement and a spirit of covetousness.

Anyways, I heard today that currently only 22% of the people logging onto the Obamacare website (or attempting to log on, because the site is non-functional) are the uninsured looking to gain health insurance. The other 78% are people who currently have health insurance, but will lose it because of Obamacare on January 1st. So basically the majority of people attempting to sign up for Obamacare are trying to keep from losing something that they already have.

How was this supposed to fix our healthcare system again? If the goal was to force millions of Americans to lose the health insurance they've been paying for for years, then I guess you could say that it succeeded.
THAT's exactly what they intended all along to force people into the Obamacare exchanges. Once the employer mandate starts even more people will be losing their insurance. They showed a news clip from a 2010 conference where Republican Eric Cantor was telling Obama their concern that people were going to be losing their insurance plans with Obamacare so Obama can't claim ignorance, he knew what was going to happen. The law was written with that intent, it's not some unintended consequence.
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