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Old 02-26-2010, 04:16 PM
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Having lived all over the country and seen all different walks of American life, I have been thinking about what our country will look like if obama has his way.

socialized healthcare and Big welfare - why even get a job? the main focus for people to seek out good jobs is the benefits. obama is well on the way to letting everyone just sit at home and get everything for free. Now how is this gonna help the economy? The liberals are gonna keep going untill every dime that a working person earns is matched and given to an unemployed leach in the name of "equality" so I ask all the working people?

Whats the point?

If you dont fall under the "tax paying American worker" lable, please only post with something constructive and not just antagonizing.
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:35 PM
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the main focus for people to seek out good jobs is the benefits.
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just sit at home and get everything for free
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If you dont fall under the "tax paying American worker" lable, please only post with something constructive and not just antagonizing.
"Please only respond if you agree with me and/or are a radical right wing that thinks Glenn Beck has a news program" (it is aired during the unannounced 'opinion time slot' in which nothing discussed has to be founded in reality)
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:40 PM
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More finger pointing ..Liberal vs Conservatives.. I get disgusted everytime. Fact is I wish we could all work together to repair or go forward. I myself do not care for Obama, however I am not going to bash our President day in and day out.
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:03 PM
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Having lived all over the country and seen all different walks of American life, I have been thinking about what our country will look like if obama has his way.

socialized healthcare and Big welfare - why even get a job? the main focus for people to seek out good jobs is the benefits. obama is well on the way to letting everyone just sit at home and get everything for free. Now how is this gonna help the economy? The liberals are gonna keep going untill every dime that a working person earns is matched and given to an unemployed leach in the name of "equality" so I ask all the working people?

Whats the point?

If you dont fall under the "tax paying American worker" lable, please only post with something constructive and not just antagonizing.
you have a long way to go before your anywhere near there. Let me tell you, my yearly bonus stood at 300 (this is the first yearly bonus we have had in four years...so that should tell you something!)....and I had to pay 111 in tax.

Until your paying anywhere near a third of what you earn to your government, you shouldnt mention the word Socialism. We arent even socialist and thats how bad a Centrist Government can be.

Count yourself lucky.

Because I'm not
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Old 02-26-2010, 05:39 PM
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so by your point, countries with universal health care and good welfare systems should have high enemployment rates? countries like Canada, Switzerland, France all have this so-called programs that lead to lazy people sitting at home ... the unemployment rates for these countries are not any different than that of the US.
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Old 02-26-2010, 06:53 PM
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First off chief, I dont watch beck or care about his news or not news program. But if you insist that only right wing people are tax-payers, hey, you said it not me.

The whole point of this post is the feeling that I am hearing from people from all over the country, that the harder they work, the more the libtards want to take from them and give to people who dont want to work at all.

Ask someone to describe a good job and I would be willing to bet that one of the first things that comes up is BENEFITS.

I know people personaly who have said that they dont want to get a job because they wont have it as good as they do on the welfare system, so dont even try and argue this. When people who work have trouble paying bills and feeding families, but those who live on the system get food, rent, healthcare, and a cellphone all on the taxpayers dime, something is wrong.

I hope I dont have to let you all know that the original post had alot of sarcasm in it, but if you dont catch that I dont mind. I'm sure I will sleep just fine tonight.
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Old 02-26-2010, 06:58 PM
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so by your point, countries with universal health care and good welfare systems should have high enemployment rates? countries like Canada, Switzerland, France all have this so-called programs that lead to lazy people sitting at home ... the unemployment rates for these countries are not any different than that of the US.
This is not what I said, I was making a point that this mentality(why work when we dont have to) would be easily reached(and has been in alot of the country). I never said anything about other countries.
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Old 02-26-2010, 07:08 PM
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so by your point, countries with universal health care and good welfare systems should have high enemployment rates? countries like Canada, Switzerland, France all have this so-called programs that lead to lazy people sitting at home ... the unemployment rates for these countries are not any different than that of the US.
Why do you suppose countries like Canada and France are able to do this? It is because since WWII, the U.S. has been shouldering the burden of military spending for "The West". The U.S. spends about 19% of the budget on military spending. This comes out to about 4% of GDP. In contrast, Canada only spends about 6% of its budget on military spending, or about 1% of GDP. France spends between 5 and 6% of its budget on military spending. Why do you suppose these socialist countries are able to "skimp" on military spending? Answer: Because they know that they can rely on the U.S. to protect them and shoulder the vast burden for putting out hot spots, fighting global terror, keeping the sea lanes open, etc., etc., etc. If Canada and France had to spend 19% of their budgets on military spending, I would bet that the generous welfare benefits would dry up quickly. So, when you say your prayers at night, you should thank God for the U.S. soldiers who make it possible for you to live in perpetual adolescence.
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Old 02-26-2010, 07:19 PM
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I grew up with no healthcare, and I have seen how healthcare seems to work well in other countries.
So I am ALL FOR healthcare for tax paying employed American's.
Nobody should be against this.

Welfare, eh. This should be taken with an almost military approach,
sometimes people need help, I'm all for it, WIC, etc....
But I want active job search, enrolled and passing college courses, drug tests,
SOMETHING.
Not just, give the poor folks money and hope for the best.
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Old 02-26-2010, 07:37 PM
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So I am ALL FOR healthcare for tax paying employed American's.
Nobody should be against this.
If you only want healthcare for tax paying, employed American citizens, then why do we need the government involved at all? Under that notion, if you want healthcare, then you get a job and pay for it yourself.

This argument is not necessarily against healthcare, it's against big government control of healthcare with the power of life and death over its own citizens. That's tyranny and is not what this country was founded upon.

I am 100% against any form of government run healthcare for American citizens. The best way for our federal government to improve healthcare in America is to get out of the healthcare providing business (this is not referring to the healthcare regulating business, since doctors and drug companies need to be accountable to someone). American citizens should be free to refuse health insurance any time they want and free to pay for it themselves. Or if their employer offers it as part of a job benefit, then that would be considered a perk while working for that employer.

For discussions about the military, government employees, etc., that would fall under the category of healthcare benefits provided by an employer. The same as it would if that person was working for McDonalds or Walmart.

Simply put, healthcare is not a problem that can be solved by our federal government and it never will be.
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