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Old 02-13-2010, 04:35 PM
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Sometimes I believe they might as well. We have a VA clinic here now but before Vets had to travel to stinky Birmingham to see a doctor. And you might as well plan to spend a night because if you weren't one of the first ones to sign in for the day then you may not be seen. Even if you had the rare appt with a specialist, you still may not be seen. They would just move you to the next day. Atrocious!
Yeah, the current system of veteran's healthcare is horrible, which gives me zero faith that the federal government would be able to competently manage healthcare for the entire nation. My brother tried getting a blood test through the VA once and it took 6 months to get an appointment, then when he showed up for the appointment, they cancelled it and rescheduled it for 90 days later.

The sad thing is that the veterans have actually earned their free healthcare and they are getting the royal shaft by our government.
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:38 PM
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Shouldnt it be a rule that if Americans are discussing American healthcare, only Americans can input. jk, dont cry.
I just realized that ConcreteKid wasn't an American. That definitely turns this into an moment.
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:40 PM
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Yeah, the current system of veteran's healthcare is horrible, which gives me zero faith that the federal government would be able to competently manage healthcare for the entire nation. My brother tried getting a blood test through the VA once and it took 6 months to get an appointment, then when he showed up for the appointment, they cancelled it and rescheduled it for 90 days later.

The sad thing is that the veterans have actually earned their free healthcare and they are getting the royal shaft by our government.
if that really is the kind of health care your government is proposing for everyone then i agree,you are better off without it.
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Old 02-13-2010, 04:51 PM
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if that really is the kind of health care your government is proposing for everyone then i agree,you are better off without it.
Yeah, and I doubt that this current administration would do anything to fix the broken VA healthcare system. So we'd most likely end up with civilians, who have never served this country a day in their life, receiving better healthcare from the government than our own veterans. That is simply unacceptable.
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Old 02-13-2010, 07:22 PM
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I had a CT scan done at the VA in October for frequent recurring migraines. My appointment to get the results and discuss treatment options with the VA doctor is in mid-March. I finally gave up and went to a doctor in my town, who ordered the results and treated me. Of course I paid for it since I don't have insurance, but at least I am receiving treatment now instead of waiting for months to even know what could be causing them and get any relief.
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That's a different situation. The free healthcare that our retired veterans receive is something that they earned after devoting 15-20+ years of their lives to serving our country.
I know folks who served only 3-4 years and get it, so you are fluffing your required service years. I've worked for a company for over 24 years, and may lose my job due to work injuries and if I do lose it, I also lose my insurance. Heck, you're eligible for it, why don't you use it? BTW, I am for providing our vets with health care.

So it seems that the VA type of socialized medicine is ok for you, but you don't want the government to help other Americans. Funny how it's ok for our government to spend billions of dollars helping other countries and providing care for non-Americans when some of our own can't afford it.

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Yeah, and I doubt that this current administration would do anything to fix the broken VA healthcare system. So we'd most likely end up with civilians, who have never served this country a day in their life, receiving better healthcare from the government than our own veterans. That is simply unacceptable.
What did our past administration do to fix the broken VA health care system? You don't necessarily have to serve in the Armed Forces to serve your country. Many civilian jobs serve and provide for our country too, from truck drivers and civil servants etc.
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:28 PM
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I know folks who served only 3-4 years and get it, so you are fluffing your required service years. I've worked for a company for over 24 years, and may lose my job due to work injuries and if I do lose it, I also lose my insurance. Heck, you're eligible for it, why don't you use it? BTW, I am for providing our vets with health care.
Well, your post specifically referenced "retired veterans" so I was addressing that. If you didn't retire from the military, then you get more limited access to VA care. The only way anyone would get full medical benefits from the VA without retiring would be to leave the military with some sort of documented disability. Even that is broken down into a percentage and your available benefits are scaled to that.

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So it seems that the VA type of socialized medicine is ok for you, but you don't want the government to help other Americans.
Our government sends our troops into wars and hazardous duty areas, thus the government should provide full health coverage for those troops. Why is that so difficult to understand?

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Funny how it's ok for our government to spend billions of dollars helping other countries and providing care for non-Americans when some of our own can't afford it.
I would agree with you there, but are you saying that we shouldn't be helping countries like Haiti because not all Americans can afford health care?

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What did our past administration do to fix the broken VA health care system?
Bush did a few things to help, but overall not enough to fix all of the flaws in our system. Bill Clinton was probably the worst when it came to stripping our vets of their benefits. However, no Presidential administration has really done enough to make sure that our vets are treated properly.

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You don't necessarily have to serve in the Armed Forces to serve your country. Many civilian jobs serve and provide for our country too, from truck drivers and civil servants etc.
Again, civilian workers, like Boomer, who are sent into combat zones and hazardous duty areas should be fully compensated.

But I know that you are not comparing the services of a truck driver cruising down I-55 with the services of an infantryman on the battlefields of Iraq or Afghanistan. Because that would be idiotic.
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This whole universal healthcare topic doesn't really make sense for the United States. As a person who holds dual citizenship in the United States and in Canada, I am pretty familiar with each system. At the end of the day, Canada is going towards a two-tiered system, but the overall healthcare is pretty good. You have to recognize that their are only 30 million in the entire country and it still is a huge burden on the government. For those who don't have any other option, they may have to wait a little longer, but at the end of the day, they get treatment. Those who can afford better plans have the ability to pay to get "better" care. All this means is the wait times aren't as long. I have regular coverage in Canada and the longest I had to wait to see my Dr. was 30 minutes. I'll take that to save a couple hundred bucks a month for when I have to see my doc.


In America, they need to look at 1) The access to Health Care and 2) The Cost of Health Care. You don't need to create universal coverage to do this. With nearly 350 Million, it's just not feasible to cover anyone and everyone, even if it the plan has positive intentions. I do think a bill needs to be passed to do some regulatory overhaul on health insurance companies. If the Government can impose restrictions on financial institutions for our safety then it should the same for companies that are supposedly looking after our health.

I do know for sure that Americans are paying top dollar for prescription drugs that are half the price in Canada, i'm talking about the lipitor's etc etc. Something needs to be done, but universal coverage is not the solution.

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Old 02-14-2010, 04:16 AM
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This whole universal healthcare topic doesn't really make sense for the United States. As a person who holds dual citizenship in the United States and in Canada, I am pretty familiar with each system. At the end of the day, Canada is going towards a two-tiered system, but the overall healthcare is pretty good. You have to recognize that their are only 30 million in the entire country and it still is a huge burden on the government. For those who don't have any other option, they may have to wait a little longer, but at the end of the day, they get treatment. Those who can afford better plans have the ability to pay to get "better" care. All this means is the wait times aren't as long. I have regular coverage in Canada and the longest I had to wait to see my Dr. was 30 minutes. I'll take that to save a couple hundred bucks a month for when I have to see my doc.


In America, they need to look at 1) The access to Health Care and 2) The Cost of Health Care. You don't need to create universal coverage to do this. With nearly 350 Million, it's just not feasible to cover anyone and everyone, even if it the plan has positive intentions. I do think a bill needs to be passed to do some regulatory overhaul on health insurance companies. If the Government can impose restrictions on financial institutions for our safety then it should the same for companies that are supposedly looking after our health.

I do know for sure that Americans are paying top dollar for prescription drugs that are half the price in Canada, i'm talking about the lipitor's etc etc. Something needs to be done, but universal coverage is not the solution.
I agree, one of the biggest problems in America is hospitals price gouging their patients. If I can get a entire bottle of aspirin at Walmart for $2, then there is no way that any hospital should be charging $8 per aspirin tablet.

Mandatory insurance is not going to solve that, in fact it will likely make the problem much worse.

BTW, it's nice to talk to a Canadian who doesn't have the "we're so much better than you because we have free healthcare" attitude.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:49 AM
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well, he aint full blooded. (Texas accent followed by spit of chew)
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