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Old 02-16-2009, 01:22 AM
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Not to mention, Frank Mir had an outside of the Octagon injury, he's came back and is now one of the top heavyweights in the world again.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:26 AM
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They dont NEED new tallent at the moment.
I whole-heartedly disagree. Look at the MW & HW divisions! They are so shallow that the champ in one has to move up in weight to avoid boredom & the champ in the other lost to the interim champ 2 fights ago!

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There biggest mistake was to flood the stupid ranks with former TUFers who FAILED to make the grade. now they have TUFers all over the place. THATS SAD. That is a BAD mistake. Stephane Bonner for example...he highlighted a card last month...he's a FAILED TUFer...he had no place in the organisation to begin with. The UFC is a laughing stock because it breaks its own rules. TUF winners fight for a contract, and yet half of them get contracts whether they win or lose...and NOW they change the rules which is unfair on the later people involved in the project...but then TUF is no longer about tallent, its about generating pure and unadultorated ratings and advertisement...and the way they do that is by deliberately bringining in fighters who have NO place in the sport let alone in the organisation with the way they represent.
On a pure skill basis, I completley agree. There are a lot of TUFers who deserve to be let go. The difference is that a lot of them are also fan favorites. Since the business is getting big numbers, that can be achieved by 1) putting on the best fights & 2) putting on the favorite fighters. Dana's going to be hard pressed to drop Stephan since he's half the reason the sport exploded.

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Becareful who you call "lackluster" thats very rude for a fighter who gets injured and simply needs to take time out to heal. We arent talking Matt Serra popped a vertibrae doing a silly demonstration, or Georges Slipped on Sweat...we're talking a legitamate fighter with plenty of potential, who simply has come back from recovery. He's not a repeat offender, so dont try and say thats an issue.
When I saw "lackluster" I mean some who doesn't distinguish themselves from the crowd. I recognize the names Wellisch & Mohr, but I'mhard-pressed to put a face to the name without a google search. I'm not saying that they aren't skilled or that they didn't have extenuating circumstances, but them's the breaks.
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Old 02-16-2009, 01:53 AM
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[/I] 1) I whole-heartedly disagree. Look at the MW & HW divisions! They are so shallow that the champ in one has to move up in weight to avoid boredom & the champ in the other lost to the interim champ 2 fights ago!

2) On a pure skill basis, I completley agree. There are a lot of TUFers who deserve to be let go. The difference is that a lot of them are also fan favorites. Since the business is getting big numbers, that can be achieved by 1) putting on the best fights & 2) putting on the favorite fighters. Dana's going to be hard pressed to drop Stephan since he's half the reason the sport exploded.

3) When I saw "lackluster" I mean some who doesn't distinguish themselves from the crowd. I recognize the names Wellisch & Mohr, but I'mhard-pressed to put a face to the name without a google search. I'm not saying that they aren't skilled or that they didn't have extenuating circumstances, but them's the breaks.
1) that wouldnt happen if the UFC werent in such a rush to fast-track people TO the title in the first place! If they stopped playing games and started treating their fighters with respect ALL of their fighters rather then just one or two, they'd have better results. Lesnar should never have been fighting anywhere near the title. Nog should have been fighting Mir for the belt, and Couture should have been stripped.

As for MW. Perhaps they should have let Anderson Silva actually work his way to the title. Then he wouldnt have spent so much time on top with nowt to do. Not that his performance verses Cote was half what he's capable of.

GSP needs to finish a fight in a title defence before he even thinks of fighting anywhere outside of his division, and BJ Penn should stick to what he's good at and leave the big boys alone, grease or no grease.

2) Pro Wrestling has big numbers aswell. Want the sport to end up like that? You dont reward drug users and or cheats...so Bonnar should be dumped in exactly the manner that Sobral was....and the UFC brought in the TUFers now they must deal with the consequences.

3) Perhaps you'll be hearing more of Wellisch when he sets up a Union and stops the UFC running roughshod across other people. As for Mohr...well he might need more then a debutees loss to get recognised. If The UFC arent prepared to let people recover from a single loss, then you'll never get to bloody see his face will you...and that wont be HIS fault.
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GSP needs to finish a fight in a title defence before he even thinks of fighting anywhere outside of his division,
i'm pretty sure he finished BJ,
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:04 AM
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i'm pretty sure he finished BJ,
okay...lets see him do it without any trace of vaseline.

Sorry...but we cant include that...besides...it wasnt exactly a normal title defense.

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Old 02-16-2009, 02:07 AM
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okay...lets see him do it without any trace of vaseline.

Sorry...but we cant include that...besides...it wasnt exactly a normal title defense.

he finished Serra,,do you want me to go on?,,
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:09 AM
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he finished Serra,,do you want me to go on?,,
Serra shouldnt really have been fighting him.

He didnt finish Jon Fitch.
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:12 AM
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Serra shouldnt really have been fighting him.

He didnt finish Jon Fitch.
he finished Matt,,

oh oh,,did i say that out loud?
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They do need a union. They get treated unfairly and in an incorrect manner.

Disagree... on the whole.. they are treated very good.. you don't see up and comers wanting to go to Affliction or somewhere else.. It's UFC. Well if it was so bad for the fighters, then no one would want to go there..

I would like to see some of my favorite fighters takes on that...

Hell.. even Tito is lobbying to get back in the UFC.. but that's cause no one wants him.
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Becareful who you call "lackluster"

All of our favorite fighters have had bad nights... should have won fights.. lackluster fights.. it happens.. breath deep.. stay calm.
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