Children! From Charlie Daniels soapbox!

[NateR]

Originally Posted by bradwright

so you are saying that being Gay and being a pedophile are the same sort of thing nate ?

Child molestation, homosexual acts, fornication (sex before marriage), adultery, bestiality, pornography, etc. all fall under the larger category of immorality. So yes, they are all related.

What makes the NAMBLA movement similar to the Gay Rights movement is that they are using the same arguments. So, once people accept this false notion that gay people are normal and "God made them that way" then it's a very small logical leap to apply that same idea to pedophiles. All the pedophiles have to do is find a way to claim that the sex is "consensual."

[NateR]

Originally Posted by bradwright

so you are saying its a sin to be Gay then ?

I have to clarify. Homosexual acts are a sin, which includes lust because that requires active imagining of a sexual act (but lust would be a sin for anyone, gay or straight). Homosexuality itself is just a mental illness which can lead to sin if not controlled or cured.

Originally Posted by Neezar

Brad, just curious here. Are you familiar with the arguments that NAMBLA uses to justify and/or defend their actions?

i'm not talking about pedophiles.....i'm asking about Gays...in my eyes there is a huge difference between the two.
i will use myself as an example...when i was in my early teenage years i was attracted to young teenage girls but as i got older the age of the girls i was attracted to increased as well and then one day when i was about 25 or so i started to see girls younger then about 20 as being to young and found i wasn't attracted to them anymore.

A pedophile on the other hand is only attracted to children so although a grown man is attracted to young girls and i am attracted to women around my own age doesn't make the two of us the same.

so in my eyes 2 adults that are the same sex and are attracted to each other cant compare to an adult male that is attracted to young boys.

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by bradwright

i'm not talking about pedophiles.....i'm asking about Gays...in my eyes there is a huge difference between the two.
i will use myself as an example...when i was in my early teenage years i was attracted to young teenage girls but as i got older the age of the girls i was attracted to increased as well and then one day when i was about 25 or so i started to see girls younger then about 20 as being to young and found i wasn't attracted to them anymore.

A pedophile on the other hand is only attracted to children so although a grown man is attracted to young girls and i am attracted to women around my own age doesn't make the two of us the same.

so in my eyes 2 adults that are the same sex and are attracted to each other cant compare to an adult male that is attracted to young boys.

They are not the same in my eyes either. However, I asked if you were familiar with NAMBLA's arguments in their own defense because they use ones that are very similiar to the arguments that gays use. Not saying that means they are the same thing. Just kinda scary. That's all.

Originally Posted by Neezar

Brad, just curious here. Are you familiar with the arguments that NAMBLA uses to justify and/or defend their actions?

no i'm not but for me the only thing i need to know is are all the people involved consenting adults ? if so then fine...but if not then some involved are children and some others are pedophiles...simple really....at least it is to me.

Originally Posted by NateR

I have to clarify. Homosexual acts are a sin, which includes lust because that requires active imagining of a sexual act (but lust would be a sin for anyone, gay or straight). Homosexuality itself is just a mental illness which can lead to sin if not controlled or cured.

most people sin everyday then.

[NateR]

Originally Posted by bradwright

most people sin everyday then.

EVERYBODY sins everyday. Those who claim not to sin everyday are either Jesus Christ Himself or just liars and it's pretty easy to determine which one of those two possibilities applies to them.

1 John chapter 1, verse 8 says:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Likewise, 1 John 1:10 repeats this with more dire consequences:
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him (GOD) a liar, and His word is not in us.

Jewish scholars will spend their entire life devoted in study to the Bible. They do nothing else and yet they still pray everyday for forgiveness of their sins. What sins could they possibly be committing doing nothing but sitting in libraries studying GOD's Word, day in and day out? They are asking for forgiveness for the sin of ignorance. If they learn something new about GOD everyday, then that means that they must pray for forgiveness of the ignorant or false assumptions about GOD that they held the previous day.

If we don't devote ourselves to study and don't learn something new about GOD everyday, then we are guilty of the daily sin of not progressing in our faith.

So, with the exception of Jesus Christ, EVERYBODY sins EVERYDAY. Period.

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by bradwright

no i'm not but for me the only thing i need to know is are all the people involved consenting adults ? if so then fine...but if not then some involved are children and some others are pedophiles...simple really....at least it is to me.

Well, yes, that is all you may need to know. But I wasn't responding to your views. I was responding to your surprise by the correlation that NateR was making between the two factions. I thought that if you knew that both make some of the same claims to defend themselves then it may be easier for you to see why people compare the two.

[Spiritwalker]

Originally Posted by NateR

After the gays get the right to force their lifestyle into everyone's face, the pedophiles are waiting in the wings to fight for their "rights" as well.

So stopping groups like NAMBLA starts with stopping the Gay Rights movement. Because once our country gets to the point where we fully accept the openly gay lifestyle, then there is no limits to the depravity we as a nation will sink to.

Though I am not shocked by what you said Nate...

One groups talks about relationships between two consenting adults...

The other talks about relationships between an adult and a child.. more often than not.. a VERY underage child..

"Gay Rights".. are talking more about the same "rights" as a heterosexual couple...

pedophilia is more about adult/child sexual relationships... and a child by definition is not an adult... so there can not be a sexual relationship.. form scores of reasons...


if two guys want to be together.. then why should it matter to you? If it's just biblical issues.. then that's another thread....

[Spiritwalker]

Originally Posted by NateR

EVERYBODY sins everyday. Those who claim not to sin everyday are either Jesus Christ Himself or just liars and it's pretty easy to determine which one of those two possibilities applies to them.

1 John chapter 1, verse 8 says:
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Likewise, 1 John 1:10 repeats this with more dire consequences:
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him (GOD) a liar, and His word is not in us.

Jewish scholars will spend their entire life devoted in study to the Bible. They do nothing else and yet they still pray everyday for forgiveness of their sins. What sins could they possibly be committing doing nothing but sitting in libraries studying GOD's Word, day in and day out? They are asking for forgiveness for the sin of ignorance. If they learn something new about GOD everyday, then that means that they must pray for forgiveness of the ignorant or false assumptions about GOD that they held the previous day.

If we don't devote ourselves to study and don't learn something new about GOD everyday, then we are guilty of the daily sin of not progressing in our faith.

So, with the exception of Jesus Christ, EVERYBODY sins EVERYDAY. Period.

so according to your rational...

I am sinful for not knowing something.. AND I am sinful for trying to learn something... and probably sinful for knowing something..

that's where you and I miss.. big time... Nate... not that there is anything wrong with that..

If people weren't different.. life would be boring...

Henry Rollins said at a show once... If you don't have an opinion.. don't come to my table.. I think that is a great outlook on interactions with others.

You are sooooo... much an OT guy.. where as I am a blend of OT and NT..