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Old 01-07-2010, 02:39 PM
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I have struggled with this question for a few years now. As some of you know my brother took his life a few years ago and it has made me rethink my thoughts about a spot in heaven for someone who committed suicide.

I would appreciate your thoughts and scripture references. Thanks.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:56 PM
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I can offer nothing really substantial for you, so I will link you to the GotQuestions discussion on the subject.

http://www.gotquestions.org/suicide-...Christian.html

Particular attention must be paid to the portion where it talks about what the Bible say about a Christian who commits suicide, was your brother a Christian?

Hope it helps.

Later.
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Old 01-07-2010, 02:58 PM
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It depends. A saved person can committ suicide if they are so depressed they have no rationale to speak of.
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Old 01-07-2010, 03:14 PM
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It depends. A saved person can committ suicide if they are so depressed they have no rationale to speak of.
That's also not counting mental illnesses or drug-induced delusions. Not even taking into account the fact that sometime people just do incredibly stupid things, Christian or not.

So, theoretically, if a born-again Christian commits suicide for any reason, does he lose his salvation and go to Hell? My opinion would be a definitive NO. If you can't lose your salvation by committing murder, then you can't lose it by suicide.

However, realistically, depending on the circumstances, I think it's highly unlikely that a true, born-again Christian would ever reach the point of suicide. 99.99% of the time, I would say that people who commit suicide were probably never really Christians to begin with.

But there is simply not enough guidance given in the Bible about this specific sin to be 100% sure. Back in the ancient days, when everyone was just struggling to stay alive, the notion that someone would willfully take their own life because they were depressed would be almost inconceivable.

Also, to clarify, I'm talking about suicide as a purely selfish act, not instances where a soldier throws himself on a grenade to save his buddies or a police officer jumps in front of a gun to save the life of an innocent person.
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Old 01-07-2010, 05:18 PM
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I have struggled with this question for a few years now. As some of you know my brother took his life a few years ago and it has made me rethink my thoughts about a spot in heaven for someone who committed suicide.

I would appreciate your thoughts and scripture references. Thanks.
in truth, we dont know.

All I can offer you is theories that you've no doubt seen me write on here before, theological theories, that may, or may not be correct. There doesnt seem to be any reliable scripture that even mentions it to the best of my knowledge.

I'm so sorry for your loss
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Old 01-08-2010, 02:19 PM
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Thanks for the thoughts. It is an incredibly hard topic to deal with especially when the emotional side enters in because a loved one is involved.
My brother was a born-again Christian. The change in his life was very visible. I do think that towards the end he was not walking as closely with God as he was. There were some very sad circumstances that happened that to my knowledge made things "seem" unbearable for him. I understand people commenting on it being a selfish act, but it is so much more than that. It goes far more deeper.
I guess there are some mysteries on this earth we cannot answer and must rely on God to one day reveal them to us if we are to know.
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Old 01-08-2010, 03:40 PM
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I have struggled with this question for a few years now. As some of you know my brother took his life a few years ago and it has made me rethink my thoughts about a spot in heaven for someone who committed suicide.

I would appreciate your thoughts and scripture references. Thanks.
I am sorry about your loss.
When I was 15 my ex-boyfriend took his life RIP Kristopher Wayne Lindsey...
It is so hard and I always feel lost when thinking of where he ended up.. Thanks for your post this will help me as well.. Take care..Lost but not forgotten..
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Unless you're Hitler, lol, I think people who commit suicide still go to heaven. People who kill themselves are not well people. They are hurt, damaged or mentally ill people, maybe a combination of all three, and God would not turn His back on people who have suffered in this way. I've got no Bible quotes to back this up, that's not my style, it's just the way I feel.
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Unless you're Hitler, lol, I think people who commit suicide still go to heaven. People who kill themselves are not well people. They are hurt, damaged or mentally ill people, maybe a combination of all three, and God would not turn His back on people who have suffered in this way. I've got no Bible quotes to back this up, that's not my style, it's just the way I feel.
well said
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Unless you're Hitler, lol, I think people who commit suicide still go to heaven. People who kill themselves are not well people. They are hurt, damaged or mentally ill people, maybe a combination of all three, and God would not turn His back on people who have suffered in this way. I've got no Bible quotes to back this up, that's not my style, it's just the way I feel.
Here's a Bible verse for you!

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

What you "feel" means nothing. Whether the person who committed suicide was SAVED is ALL that matters. You have absolutely zero influence in whether they go to Heaven - not trying to insult you, just saying. People struggle, whether you kill yourself or die of natural causes we ALL have deep struggles within. God OWES us nothing. God can change you, He can do anything. But God does not change FOR YOU. We play be HIS RULE BOOK, not some set of rules we make ourselves.
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