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Old 12-24-2009, 10:48 AM
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I'm currently going through the process. In NJ you need a firearms license to buy or even own a gun. Once you have the license, you need a new purchasing permit every time you want to buy a handgun. Each of these permits comes with a wait.

What I've had to do so far:

I found some info online, along with the required forms. I printed them out and filled them in.
I called the local state police barracks to ask about coming in for processing and was told that only one officer handles that and I'd have to come in when he was working.

I had to wait a few days for a time he would be there that worked for me. Went to the barracks to find out he was out on a call. They said he'd be back in about 15 minutes so I waited. After about 30 minutes, he showed up.

I handed him my paperwork. He looked at it and told me they were the old forms. He handed me the new forms (which had the exact same questions, just in a different format) and told me to fill them out and bring them back another time. I asked if I could just fill them out there instead of leaving and coming back. He agreed. Not sure why that wasn't the first option.

I filled out the new paperwork and handed it all back to him along with my drivers license. He made a copy of that and told me to have a seat. I also had to pay a $5 processing fee. I waited about 15-20 minutes. He hands me a form with a case number on it and tells me I need to make an appointment in another town for finger printing. The cost is $60.25. I leave.

I go online to make my fingerprinting appointment. Nothing available for two weeks. I make the appointment and use my credit card to pay for the appointment. You can't get the appointment without paying first.

Fingerprinting day comes and I go in, get finger printed and leave.

Now I wait. They say it should take about 30 days but from what I've heard, it usually takes much longer. More like 60 days.

My biggest question is: Why is there only one officer who can accept the forms? All he did was file them, assign a case number to me, and hand me a new form for the finger printing.

TLDR: Getting a firearms license in NJ is a pain in the butt. I think they make it extra difficult and inconvenient on purpose just to persuade people not to bother.

I'll let you know how long it takes to finally get my license.
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Old 12-24-2009, 11:44 AM
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I'm currently going through the process. In NJ you need a firearms license to buy or even own a gun. Once you have the license, you need a new purchasing permit every time you want to buy a handgun. Each of these permits comes with a wait.

What I've had to do so far:

I found some info online, along with the required forms. I printed them out and filled them in.
I called the local state police barracks to ask about coming in for processing and was told that only one officer handles that and I'd have to come in when he was working.

I had to wait a few days for a time he would be there that worked for me. Went to the barracks to find out he was out on a call. They said he'd be back in about 15 minutes so I waited. After about 30 minutes, he showed up.

I handed him my paperwork. He looked at it and told me they were the old forms. He handed me the new forms (which had the exact same questions, just in a different format) and told me to fill them out and bring them back another time. I asked if I could just fill them out there instead of leaving and coming back. He agreed. Not sure why that wasn't the first option.

I filled out the new paperwork and handed it all back to him along with my drivers license. He made a copy of that and told me to have a seat. I also had to pay a $5 processing fee. I waited about 15-20 minutes. He hands me a form with a case number on it and tells me I need to make an appointment in another town for finger printing. The cost is $60.25. I leave.

I go online to make my fingerprinting appointment. Nothing available for two weeks. I make the appointment and use my credit card to pay for the appointment. You can't get the appointment without paying first.

Fingerprinting day comes and I go in, get finger printed and leave.

Now I wait. They say it should take about 30 days but from what I've heard, it usually takes much longer. More like 60 days.

My biggest question is: Why is there only one officer who can accept the forms? All he did was file them, assign a case number to me, and hand me a new form for the finger printing.

TLDR: Getting a firearms license in NJ is a pain in the butt. I think they make it extra difficult and inconvenient on purpose just to persuade people not to bother.

I'll let you know how long it takes to finally get my license.


Ugh!
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Old 12-24-2009, 11:47 AM
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NJ is really tough because of it's being so close to NY. Bloomberg is big on keeping folks from buying guns out of state and bringing them in. They've sent investigators to mom and pop gunshops in NC and SC when they've traced purchase records from guns used in the city.
pain in the ass for sure.
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:58 PM
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You hit the nail on the head Mike. They figure if they put up enough hoops for you to jump through , you wont pursue it .

It sucks man ,it really does.
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Old 12-24-2009, 06:12 PM
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I had a similar experience getting a gun in another Democratic blue-state socialist paradise. I posted this in June in a thread now on page 10 of the "Politics" section:

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I used to support gun control but my thinking on the issue has changed as I have gotten older and read up on the issue.

I think waiting periods sound reasonable to most people. I had the same discussion with a friend of mine who is a psychiatrist. He supports waiting periods because he is concerned about suicidal people having a gun. I think that is a justifiable concern. Shortly after we had the discussion, I came across a study that addressed the issue. In brief (if I remember all the details correctly), areas with newly instituted waiting periods did experience a decrease in suicide by firearm; however, there was a concomitant increase in suicides by other methods (hanging, pills, carbon monoxide, etc.) so that the overall suicide rate was unchanged. Essentially, the waiting period did put up a roadblock in front of the suicidal person but it didn't stop them from committing suicide, they just took a bottle of Tylenol or sat in a car in a closed garage or strung up a noose from the ceiling. I don't know of a study looking at waiting periods and crimes of passion, but I suspect that (like you mentioned in your post) a homicidal person would use a knife, run the person down with a car or more than likely buy a gun on the street in less than 10 minutes. I recently read about a homicide in our local paper committed by a drug-dealer who had been released from jail less than three hours before he committed the homicide. He was a felon so he couldn't legally obtain a firearm. Instead, within literally minutes, he bought an AK-47 from another criminal on the street and gunned down another drug dealer. I think a truly homicidal person will not be stopped by a waiting period, it is just too easy to buy a gun from a criminal on the street.

I recently purchased a firearm so I know all about waiting periods. Here is the process I had to go through: First, I took a day-long course on gun safety which included range time (I am ok with that, I would have taken it anyway). After I completed the course I was not given a certificate. The gun shop owner had to go to the courthouse and get a signed affidavit. In order to make it inconvenient for the gunowner, they do not allow the gunshop owner to mail you the affidavit; after waiting for the affidavit to be issued, it requires another trip to the gunshop to pick it up in person. After you purchase the gun, you are not allowed to take it home. Instead, you must take the bill of sale with the serial number to the police department. I happened to buy my gun on a Saturday and discovered to my chagrin that the police department office is not open on the weekend (weekday hours are very limited - the office is only open when most people are at work). The following week I had to go during lunch. Surprise! Everyone else has to go at lunchtime so the line was incredibly long (that and the fact that gun sales have exploded since Obama was elected). The parking for the police department is coin meter - one quarter gives you 10 minutes. I had to give up my place in line to avoid a parking ticket. After waiting for almost an hour in line I had to fill out extensive paperwork including signing a release to my personal physician to give up access to my personal, private medical records. I had to pay a fee and be fingerprinted like a common criminal. The fingerprints were sent to the FBI! The waiting period was 14 days. At the end of the 14 days there is a 5 day-window when you must go back to the police department to pick up your paperwork in person. They will not mail it to you. You are not given a reminder call or postcard. If you forget or have conflicts with your schedule tough luck for you. Your paperwork is thrown away and you must start over from the beginning and pay another fee. When you pick up your paperwork at the police department (again with a long line) you are told that you have 48 hours to go back to the gunshop to take possession of your firearm. If you don't (say for instance you have a job, or a family, or a life with duties and responsibilities that make it difficult to make unexpected outings during work hours) then the paperwork is void and you have to start over. Next, is a trip to the gunshop to pick up the gun. I thought I was finished at this point, but like a cruel joke, the gunshop-owner informed me I had 24 hours to return to the police department to have them inspect the gun and record the serial number (which they already have) or I am in violation of the law. Waiting periods may sound reasonable but from personal experience I can tell you that they are onerous (in my case, 5 trips to the gunshop - I bought the gun on a different day than I picked up the affidavit - and 4 trips to the police department - including the Saturday that they were closed). The government purposely makes it difficult and burdensome to go through the process so few people will do it. Can you imagine if they put up these roadblocks to a person picking up a welfare check? Can you imagine if they put up these roadblocks to a person registering to vote. The civil rights lawyers and their ilk would be rioting in the streets. I was lawfully pursuing my 2nd amendment rights and I felt like I was being treated like a criminal or a trained seal going through hoops.

In my case, it was just inconvenience and aggravation. How about the woman being stalked by a crazy ex-boyfriend? She will die with an active restraining order while she is waiting for her gun license. Civil disorder, such as the LA riots or the lawlessness that followed Hurricane Katrina, pops up without warning and with the change in public safety you may want a gun ASAP and not in weeks. The problem is the law-abiding citizen will be out of luck and the gangs and criminals will have an illegal gun in 10 minutes.

Sorry for the rant
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:29 PM
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Sorry to hear this Mike!! It seems like these retards need to realize duh the criminals carry them illegal so why not make it easier for law obiding citizens to obtain the permit!!
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It's been a little over a month since I applied.

Still waiting.
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Old 01-30-2010, 01:22 AM
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Wow, what a hassle. I just filled out the on-line forms for concealed weapons permit. I realize that's a little differrent than NJ but it is very straight forward here in WA (for the time being, anyway). It's $55 and you get it at the sheriff's/police dept. To simply purchase a firearm, no fee, one form, 5 day wait.
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Old 01-31-2010, 04:16 AM
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heh...when i was stationed in PA last year (2009) i was a resident of IL, it took me all of 30mins to buy my handgun, went to a gun show, found what i wanted, the guy siad "since your active duty Military stationed in PA but a resident of IL i have to make a couple of phone calls" filled out all of the paperwork, paid a $40 fee and that was it!

Since then i moved to NJ went to the local police dept, looked into registering my handgun...they wanted me to switch residency's from IL to NJ...even though if i did that i would lose a ton of benifeits, like i don't pay state tax, if i switched my residency to NJ i would have to pay NJ state tax...pshhh yeah right not gonna happen!

oh well!
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I'm currently going through the process. In NJ you need a firearms license to buy or even own a gun. Once you have the license, you need a new purchasing permit every time you want to buy a handgun. Each of these permits comes with a wait.

What I've had to do so far:

I found some info online, along with the required forms. I printed them out and filled them in.
I called the local state police barracks to ask about coming in for processing and was told that only one officer handles that and I'd have to come in when he was working.

I had to wait a few days for a time he would be there that worked for me. Went to the barracks to find out he was out on a call. They said he'd be back in about 15 minutes so I waited. After about 30 minutes, he showed up.

I handed him my paperwork. He looked at it and told me they were the old forms. He handed me the new forms (which had the exact same questions, just in a different format) and told me to fill them out and bring them back another time. I asked if I could just fill them out there instead of leaving and coming back. He agreed. Not sure why that wasn't the first option.

I filled out the new paperwork and handed it all back to him along with my drivers license. He made a copy of that and told me to have a seat. I also had to pay a $5 processing fee. I waited about 15-20 minutes. He hands me a form with a case number on it and tells me I need to make an appointment in another town for finger printing. The cost is $60.25. I leave.

I go online to make my fingerprinting appointment. Nothing available for two weeks. I make the appointment and use my credit card to pay for the appointment. You can't get the appointment without paying first.

Fingerprinting day comes and I go in, get finger printed and leave.

Now I wait. They say it should take about 30 days but from what I've heard, it usually takes much longer. More like 60 days.

My biggest question is: Why is there only one officer who can accept the forms? All he did was file them, assign a case number to me, and hand me a new form for the finger printing.

TLDR: Getting a firearms license in NJ is a pain in the butt. I think they make it extra difficult and inconvenient on purpose just to persuade people not to bother.

I'll let you know how long it takes to finally get my license.
my biggest question...are you in some kind of rush for a firearm

You guys have absolutely NO idea what beauracrasy is...you think if your kept for more then a few moments, or people dont give you what you want, when you want it, your rights are somehow indellably damaged

Do you want to know how long Martin has been waiting for an opporation to get rid of gall stones so big they cant be passed and the organ is effectively rendered useless

THREE MONTHS AND COUNTING

It wont kill you to wait...you know you live in a city where its harder to get firearms...didnt you expect this sort of treatment
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