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Old 10-22-2009, 07:57 PM
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Oh, and in closing it really doesn't matter,
because every current UFC Champion trains in BJJ,
and in more than one case, Gracie Jiu Jitsu, so the Gracies win either way.

You can do great things in MMA with bad hands,
you can't with bad ground game.

BJ = BJJ BB, trained in GJJ
GSP = GJJ under Renzo
AS = BJJ BB
MACHIDA = BJJ BB
LESNAR = 2 years private training with Royce himself,
and hired Comprido to train him now.
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Old 10-25-2009, 01:08 AM
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but only in his own dreams...either now, or back then
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Old 10-25-2009, 01:09 AM
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Oh, and in closing it really doesn't matter,
because every current UFC Champion trains in BJJ,
and in more than one case, Gracie Jiu Jitsu, so the Gracies win either way.

You can do great things in MMA with bad hands,
you can't with bad ground game.

BJ = BJJ BB, trained in GJJ
GSP = GJJ under Renzo
AS = BJJ BB
MACHIDA = BJJ BB
LESNAR = 2 years private training with Royce himself,
and hired Comprido to train him now.
"and thank you Matt Hughes, for proving the Gracies the best, by beating Gracie...with...erm....skills he taught you"
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Old 10-26-2009, 07:43 AM
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"and thank you Matt Hughes, for proving the Gracies the best, by beating Gracie...with...erm....skills he taught you"
I don't see the humor?
Matt trains in BJJ does he not? I mean, his gym has a BJJ coach.
The armlock he had Royce in certainly isn't a wrestling move.
You cannot deny the impact the Gracie family has made,
just because people who don't share the last name can be better at them at mixed martial arts, doesn't mean you can be a successful fighter without knowing BJJ, you can't.

For the record, I didn't say they were the best,
I said their system was. Prove me wrong?
No mma champion doesn't work on BJJ.
As I listed, all current UFC Champions are either training with a Gracie, have trained with a Gracie, or are BJJ BB's.
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Old 10-26-2009, 11:42 AM
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I don't see the humor?
Matt trains in BJJ does he not? I mean, his gym has a BJJ coach.
The armlock he had Royce in certainly isn't a wrestling move.
You cannot deny the impact the Gracie family has made,
just because people who don't share the last name can be better at them at mixed martial arts, doesn't mean you can be a successful fighter without knowing BJJ, you can't.

For the record, I didn't say they were the best,
I said their system was. Prove me wrong?
No mma champion doesn't work on BJJ.
As I listed, all current UFC Champions are either training with a Gracie, have trained with a Gracie, or are BJJ BB's.
For the record, the question is about ONE Gracie in particular, and nothing to do with the system at all.

Royce Gracie fighting any current champion either in our time, or in his time, is not really anything to do with his families system, which evidently he cant utilize aswell as people outside his family.

I'm sick to death of credit being given to the Gracies for every bloody win in MMA. Thats as stupid as claiming the Romans or Greeks came up with the idea of Combat Sports, and thus every win is attributed to their invention.

Besides, its not BJJ that wins, its BJJ in combination with all sorts of other things, modified by each tutor so much, it probably bears very little to the primative fundementals on which it is based. Its just sad to Rob decent people who have mastered their own set of techniques, and give grattitude to some archaic family who used/branded the techniques under their own names...but who...incidently, arent much cop, and havent been for some years
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Old 10-26-2009, 08:28 PM
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Royce is a hero!

Great man, who fought who huge and indeed some tough guys.

Before people start calling him out, leat he had the balls to step in and do it and inspire many many people!

The fact is, his early acheivements are worthy of respect.

And Dave, you surprise me, how long is it before people spew similar stuff to you about how Matt Hughes, Chuck, Jens and Randy fought a load of failed atheletes and never really fought real competition.

Royce has earned some respect and his contribution to the sport has been immense whether you like it or not.
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Royce is a hero!

Great man, who fought who huge and indeed some tough guys.

Before people start calling him out, leat he had the balls to step in and do it and inspire many many people!

The fact is, his early acheivements are worthy of respect.

And Dave, you surprise me, how long is it before people spew similar stuff to you about how Matt Hughes, Chuck, Jens and Randy fought a load of failed atheletes and never really fought real competition.

Royce has earned some respect and his contribution to the sport has been immense whether you like it or not.
but he wouldnt win! I was asked who I thought would win...

Noone will ever DARE piss on Pulver whilst i'm around
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Old 10-26-2009, 09:14 PM
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but he wouldnt win! I was asked who I thought would win...

Noone will ever DARE piss on Pulver whilst i'm around

He would'nt be able to beat Anderson today but then he has plenty of company with that one!
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Old 10-27-2009, 01:20 AM
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He would'nt be able to beat Anderson today but then he has plenty of company with that one!
Pulver can hardly beat any of the people in his own div.
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Old 10-27-2009, 02:23 AM
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Now that I think about it. I think if he got anderson to the ground he could make him tap. By the way a Royce of 1995 could beat Anderson today. I wish they would fight just so we can say yes or no but it will never happen so I guess we will never know.
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