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Old 09-26-2009, 04:06 AM
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An email i recieved.




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Think about this...

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single
student, but had once failed an entire class.

The class (students) insisted that socialism worked since no one would be
poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said,
"OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism."

"All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so
no one will fail and no one will receive an A."

After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
students who had studied hard were upset while the students who had
studied very little were happy.

But, as the second test rolled around, the students who had studied little
studied even less and the ones who had studied hard decided that since
they couldn't make an A, they also studied less. The second Test average
was a D.

No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average grade was an
F.

The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling, all resulted
in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else.

To their great surprise all failed. The professor told them that socialism
would ultimately fail because the harder people try to succeed the greater
their reward (capitalism) but when a government takes all the reward
away (socialism) no one will try or succeed.
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Old 09-26-2009, 04:35 AM
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Whether it's a true story or not, it's a great illustration of why Socialism will ALWAYS fail.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:08 AM
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Why would we want to hinder the entrepreneurial spirit and the strive to succeed with something as stupid as socialism. Politicians have been taking us there ever since FDR
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Old 09-26-2009, 10:16 AM
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An email i recieved.
i think that was the best illustration of socialism i've ever seen.....
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Old 09-26-2009, 01:16 PM
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well i would say that form of socialism is alive and well in north America....
its called a UNION ! ! !
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Old 09-26-2009, 03:20 PM
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well i would say that form of socialism is alive and well in north America....
its called a UNION ! ! !
Yep, these days unions only exist to make sure that bad workers get paid exactly the same wages and benefits as good workers. Thus, turning all workers into bad workers.
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Old 09-26-2009, 05:09 PM
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Yep, these days unions only exist to make sure that bad workers get paid exactly the same wages and benefits as good workers. Thus, turning all workers into bad workers.
That's completely untrue and it's sad that you think that. Unions still serve a purpose in America and it's certainly not the purpose you alluded to.

Firefighters have safety equipment and adherence to national protocols because of Unions.
Police officers have safety equipment like bulletproof vests and make a wage they can live on because of Unions.
The fact that we have ANY production jobs left in America is due primarily to Unions.

More Unions, bigger Unions and stronger Unions will turn around this economy far quicker then outsourcing all of our jobs to Asia.

Unions are not the answer to every economic problem we have in America and they're not the blame either. Is there abuse in Unions? Of course. Do crappy workers get to keep their jobs sometimes when they should be fired? Absolutely. But that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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That's completely untrue and it's sad that you think that. Unions still serve a purpose in America and it's certainly not the purpose you alluded to.

Firefighters have safety equipment and adherence to national protocols because of Unions.
Police officers have safety equipment like bulletproof vests and make a wage they can live on because of Unions.
The fact that we have ANY production jobs left in America is due primarily to Unions.

More Unions, bigger Unions and stronger Unions will turn around this economy far quicker then outsourcing all of our jobs to Asia.

Unions are not the answer to every economic problem we have in America and they're not the blame either. Is there abuse in Unions? Of course. Do crappy workers get to keep their jobs sometimes when they should be fired? Absolutely. But that's no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water.
I have a very different opinion about unions in general. I know for a fact the Construction Unions are a joke whos only real concern is collecting their quarterly checks from other workers. Any real saftey concerns you have they dont care. So your stuck working with drunks, crack heads and guys who smoke weed in the **** house. MEanwhile I am sitting at home with a broken hand, and the union ain't backing me up when the company was being a douche bag about my workmans comp.

I won't even go into the number of guys who got hurt on the job and tested for high amount of illegal drugs. Only that they were allowed to keep their jobs.

Its a shadey business with the only thing mattering in the end are, # of members, and $$$ every 3 months from those members.

An all the cops I know and train with say "**** the unions" and "**** the ticket quota"
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:03 PM
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I have a very different opinion about unions in general. I know for a fact the Construction Unions are a joke whos only real concern is collecting their quarterly checks from other workers. Any real saftey concerns you have they dont care. So your stuck working with drunks, crack heads and guys who smoke weed in the **** house. MEanwhile I am sitting at home with a broken hand, and the union ain't backing me up when the company was being a douche bag about my workmans comp.

I won't even go into the number of guys who got hurt on the job and tested for high amount of illegal drugs. Only that they were allowed to keep their jobs.

Its a shadey business with the only thing mattering in the end are, # of members, and $$$ every 3 months from those members.

An all the cops I know and train with say "**** the unions" and "**** the ticket quota"
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Old 09-26-2009, 08:14 PM
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I have a very different opinion about unions in general. I know for a fact the Construction Unions are a joke whos only real concern is collecting their quarterly checks from other workers. Any real saftey concerns you have they dont care. So your stuck working with drunks, crack heads and guys who smoke weed in the **** house. MEanwhile I am sitting at home with a broken hand, and the union ain't backing me up when the company was being a douche bag about my workmans comp.

You need to hire an attorney for workmans comp issues and not rely on the union as they have no control over that. My union provides an EAP program in conjunction with my employer.

I won't even go into the number of guys who got hurt on the job and tested for high amount of illegal drugs. Only that they were allowed to keep their jobs.

Did the workers comp insurance carriers know about the positive test results? How do you know they were tested and that they tested positive? If the company allows so many employees who test positive to keep their jobs, they would have a hard time keeping a workers comp insurance carrier. Are you sure your employer has workers comp insurance? A unions job isn't to get rid of employees, but to protect them from the employer.

I agree with Chuck 100%.


Its a shadey business with the only thing mattering in the end are, # of members, and $$$ every 3 months from those members.

An all the cops I know and train with say "**** the unions" and "**** the ticket quota"

So are you alleging that the police union has a ticket quota? If you don't like your union, why do you stay? Why not get another construction job without a union?
Responses in red. Try working in an "at will" state where you can be fired for just about any reason. I know many folks who have been fired right about when they were going to be vested and lost everything because they had no union protection.
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