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Old 08-12-2009, 04:17 AM
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This news is actually very encouraging for those who oppose Obama's death-care plan:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090812/..._care_protests

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LEBANON, Pa. Jeers and taunts drowned out Democrats calling for a health care overhaul at town halls Tuesday, and one lawmaker said a swastika was spray-painted at his office as debate turned to noisy confrontation over President Barack Obama's plan. The president himself was treated more respectfully.
"You'll be gone, by God the bureaucrats will still be here," one man told Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., at a town hall in Lebanon, Pa.
"If they don't let us vent our frustrations out, they will have a revolution," Mary Ann Fieser of Hillsboro, Mo., told Sen. Claire McCaskill at her Missouri health care forum.
McCaskill admonished the rowdy crowd of some 1,500.
"I don't understand this rudeness," she said. "I honestly don't get it."
The bitter sessions underscored the challenge for the administration as it tries to win over an increasingly skeptical public on the costly and far-reaching task of revamping the nation's health care system. Desperate to stop a hardening opposition, the White House created a Web site to dispel what it says are smears and House Democrats set up a health care "war room" out of Majority Leader Steny Hoyer's office to help lawmakers handle questions.
Obama answered his critics indirectly. At his town hall in Portsmouth, N.H., he urged Americans to ignore those who try to "scare and mislead the American people," telling a cordial audience, "For all the scare tactics out there, what is truly scary is if we do nothing."
Though his popularity is slipping in polls, Obama himself is repeatedly trying to make the case to the public for passage of comprehensive legislation this year to bring down costs and extend coverage to many of the 50 million uninsured.
Obama's questions bore no resemblance to what Specter got.
At a crowded community college in Pennsylvania, Specter heard from speaker after speaker who accused him of trampling on their constitutional rights, adding to the federal deficit or allowing government bureaucrats to take over health care.
"My children and grandchildren are going to pay for this," said another.
"One day God will stand before you and judge you!" shouted a man before security guards approached and he left the room.
Specter gamely tried to explain his positions and on occasion mediate among shouting constituents saying he wouldn't vote for a bill that adds to the deficit. He also said he wouldn't support a bill that extends coverage to illegal immigrants. None of the bills in Congress would provide health insurance to illegal immigrants.
One woman tried to make it personal for Specter, alleging that the Democrats' plan would not provide care to a man in his 70s with cancer, like Specter had.
"You're here because of the plan we have now," she said.
Specter, 79, who has battled cancer twice since 2005, showed some heat at that.
"Well, you're just not right," he said. He called her claim a "vicious, malicious" rumor.
The passions of the crowd illustrated the problems for Democratic lawmakers around the country as they try to use the monthlong August recess to promote Obama's agenda. There's not a single plan to promote, which Specter later told reporters made his job harder, along with the complexity of the issue. The House bill is more than 1,000 pages.
And, Specter said, "The objectors have gotten ahead of the curve." Asked why, he cited talk radio, among other factors.
In Georgia, Democratic Rep. David Scott's staff arrived at his Smyrna, Ga., office outside Atlanta on Tuesday morning to find a large, black swastika spray-painted on a sign out front bearing his name. The vandalism occurred roughly a week after Scott was involved in a contentious argument over health care at a community meeting.
Scott, who is black, said he also has received mail in recent days that used N-word references to him and that characterized Obama as a Marxist.
"We have got to make sure that the symbol of the swastika does not win, that the racial hatred that's bubbling up does not win this debate," Scott said in a telephone interview. "That's what is bubbling up with all of this. There's so much hatred out there for President Obama."
In Missouri, McCaskill was peppered with questions about health care for veterans, seniors and illegal immigrants and provisions funding abortions. One man was arrested after allegedly taking and ripping a sign from a woman that showed a picture of Rosa Parks sitting on a bus with the words, "First Lady of Civil Rights."
Someone shouted out that they didn't trust McCaskill.
"Beg your pardon ... you don't trust me?" McCaskill said. "I don't know what else I can do."
Specter said that in a long life in politics he hadn't seen anything like what he witnessed Tuesday and at a town hall last weekend that turned even uglier.
"There is more anger in America today than at any time I can remember," Specter said.
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Associated Press writers Ben Evans in Washington and Sheila Ellis in Hillsboro, Mo., contributed to this report.
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It's only going to get worse.
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It's only going to get worse.
Yes, especially among the senior citizens who would find themselves suddenly denied care and asked to go and politely die in a corner somewhere for the "good of the country."

Those people have EVERYTHING to lose if Obama gets his way.
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Yes, especially among the senior citizens who would find themselves suddenly denied care and asked to go and politely die in a corner somewhere for the "good of the country."

Those people have EVERYTHING to lose if Obama gets his way.
Here is what I don't get, I heard a snippet of his speech yesterday where he stated that insurance companies ration out health care. He said that they get to pick and choose who needs what and whether they pay for it. He said it like it was the worse thing ever. But somehow he thinks the government will do a better job at picking and choosing these things for you. At least the insurance companies hire actual medical staff to help in making these decisions. The government is using politicians. And their 'medical' person is a woman who hasn't practiced in 15 years, and then it was only teaching. And most medical people will tell you that teaching and practicing are two totally different spectrums.
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Here is what I don't get, I heard a snippet of his speech yesterday where he stated that insurance companies ration out health care. He said that they get to pick and choose who needs what and whether they pay for it. He said it like it was the worse thing ever. But somehow he thinks the government will do a better job at picking and choosing these things for you. At least the insurance companies hire actual medical staff to help in making these decisions. The government is using politicians. And their 'medical' person is a woman who hasn't practiced in 15 years, and then it was only teaching. And most medical people will tell you that teaching and practicing are two totally different spectrums.

Absolutely ture.

Also, I work in a high risk obstetrics office. I want to know if the govt plan will eventually get to the point where they tell a woman that her baby has too many anomalies to live and force an abortion on her by refusing to pay for her care at all or the babies care after delivery for the NICU admission. If they will have a meeting to discuss end of life for seniors, will they do this as well for an infant or "fetus"?



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I don't think this matters whether you're Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, etc., nobody is going to be in favor of this stupid idea.
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Well, the liberal media spin is already in effect. That article has renamed with a new title claiming that these protests against Obama Deathcare are "not representative of America."
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Coincidence that Obama's budget planned a resurrection of the death tax in 2010? Life expectancy for the elderly dropping coupled with a 55% estate tax. How convenient for the federal government...
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Coincidence that Obama's budget planned a resurrection of the death tax in 2010? Life expectancy for the elderly dropping coupled with a 55% estate tax. How convenient for the federal government...
Rather....
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Seniors are a HUGE swing vote for the dems...too bad for Obama in 2012.
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