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Old 08-06-2009, 09:21 PM
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it isn't just about whether GSP trains all year round or not. GSP does train all year round, and he trains his ass off, but that doesn't change the fact that some pro's and fans still believe him to use steroids. kosckeck trains his ass off year round and doesn't look like he uses steroids like GSP does. rashad trains his ass off year round and doesn't look like he uses steroids like GSP does. hughes trains his ass off year round and doesn't look like he uses steroids like GSP does. of course there is no proof but anyone with half a brain has wondered to themselves at least once if GSP uses steroids. personally i would not be shocked at all if he ever tested positive. i can only think of one other UFC fighter who trains his ass off year round and also looks like he uses steroids, and that man is sean sherk.

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Old 08-06-2009, 09:33 PM
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it isn't just about whether GSP trains all year round or not. GSP does train all year round, and he trains his ass off, but that doesn't change the fact that some pro's and fans still believe him to use steroids. kosckech trains his ass off year round and doesn't look like he uses steroids like GSP does. hughes trains his ass off year round and doesn't look like he uses steroids like GSP does. of course there is no proof but anyone with half a brain has wondered to themselves at least once if GSP uses steroids. personally i would not be shocked at all if he ever tested positive.
we can make all the accusations we want. We are fans of the sport. But it doesn't look good on a pro athlete to carry on with baseless accusations. You can bet in any other pro sport, there would be reprucussions from the leagues or organisation, at the very least a fine. I agree that all these elite athletes are going to be questioned about using steroids in this day and age, but without any proof besides he is ripped all year round, no one is going to take it seriously. If he's tested positive for steroids or steroid masking substances in the past, then you'd expect that. But I guess we can all blame MLB for the mistrust sports fans have in any elite athletes natural abilities.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:33 PM
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Last time I asked Nate how much Matt weighed, he said 192.
I don't remember how far out from a fight it was, but thats 12 lbs over confirmed.
Not saying he was out of shape, but its still not 170.

I won't bother commented about the HW's
I can't speak on Florian or Edgar, but I will bet Florian doesn't weigh 155 year round.

Also, BJ is only ever out of shape at 170, his frame isn't really meant for that weight,
same as Matt Serra, and a lot of other guys who have moved down, Florian didn't always fight at LW.
So, say what you want about BJ being a whiner or a crybaby, but show me a fight at 155 where he was in bad shape before you attack his lazyness.
everyone cuts before a fight, so matt isn't in shape at 170, he is dehydrated and hasn't eaten a full meal probably in a day or so, maybe even more .... so fight weights are not relevent ... fighters are still ripped the night of the fight and have added 10-15 pounds of water, sometimes more ... sitting in a sauna to make 170 doesn't make you in shape ... BJ has to cut to 155 just like everyone else he doean't walk around at that ...
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:39 PM
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everyone cuts before a fight, so matt isn't in shape at 170, he is dehydrated and hasn't eaten a full meal probably in a day or so, maybe even more .... so fight weights are not relevent ... fighters are still ripped the night of the fight and have added 10-15 pounds of water, sometimes more ... sitting in a sauna to make 170 doesn't make you in shape ... BJ has to cut to 155 just like everyone else he doean't walk around at that ...
BJ was at 155 like 2 weeks ago. Now I think he is barely at 160.
He was also at 155 more than a week out from Stevenson.

Just saying.
Also, guys like Forrest and Page getting over 240 isn't a few lbs.
BJ doesn't get up to 180 or anything crazy, he has to work to get fat enough for 170
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:40 PM
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we can make all the accusations we want. We are fans of the sport. But it doesn't look good on a pro athlete to carry on with baseless accusations. You can bet in any other pro sport, there would be reprucussions from the leagues or organisation, at the very least a fine. I agree that all these elite athletes are going to be questioned about using steroids in this day and age, but without any proof besides he is ripped all year round, no one is going to take it seriously. If he's tested positive for steroids or steroid masking substances in the past, then you'd expect that. But I guess we can all blame MLB for the mistrust sports fans have in any elite athletes natural abilities.
it boils down to the fact that people don't understand the effects of hard work and dedication, BJ doesn't because he couldn't keep it up for more than a few months before a fight, and maybe he doesn't want to ... that's fine, but don't cry about others being beasts because they train hard all year round .... same people said the same thing about lance armstrong cuz he was kicking everyone's butt after he almost died from cancer ... they couldn't believe that a guy was that talented ... so they accused him of using ped's ... BJ is just jealous
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:40 PM
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BJ HAS to train to make 155 that is why he is in great shape.

BJ stays at 155 period. No need for him to move up ever again.
I know, that was sort of my point, a bunch of people calling him lazy and stuff,
he really isn't. He has to get fat for 170 for whatever reason,
but I think calling the LW champion lazy is a little unfair, he has never looked bad at 155
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:41 PM
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I think I heard somewhere that GSP cuts at least 15 lbs before a fight though. Some people like BJ obviously between fights lay around, eat whatever, and gain weight until they know when their next fight is. Then there's people like GSP, who probably takes a few days off, eats a little bit more junk food, Also gains weight, but goes right back to training day in day out, whether he has a fight in 6 weeks or 6 years. Who knows? Until GSP tests positive, he's the champ, and anyone who loses to him then accusing him of dosing, is just a sore loser. Professionals who claim they want nothing but good things for the sport of MMA shouldnt throw around accusations of that nature without any proof. Stuff like that should be left up to all the fans on boards like sherdog.

So, You should dislike Kenny too,
he now admits texting BJ's camp to warn about GSP cheating.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:45 PM
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Last time I asked Nate how much Matt weighed, he said 192.
I don't remember how far out from a fight it was, but thats 12 lbs over confirmed.
Not saying he was out of shape, but its still not 170.

I won't bother commented about the HW's
I can't speak on Florian or Edgar, but I will bet Florian doesn't weigh 155 year round.

Also, BJ is only ever out of shape at 170, his frame isn't really meant for that weight,
same as Matt Serra, and a lot of other guys who have moved down, Florian didn't always fight at LW.
So, say what you want about BJ being a whiner or a crybaby, but show me a fight at 155 where he was in bad shape before you attack his lazyness.
Go back and read what I typed. I never once called BJ "lazy", I just said that some people continue to stay in shape after fights and some people don't. That simply means that some people keep their diets and training strict all year around, in other words, they don't have an off-season ever.

Matt has openly said on this forum he weighs between 182 to 185 come fight night, thus, he only weighs 170 after he cuts water weight to make fights. This means he adds a whopping 7-10 pounds after the fight - that does not make you out of shape. In Matt's case, the majority of that 7-10 post-fight pounds would be added water and glycogen in the muscles after he continues to consume carbs and rehydrates.

BJ is a whiner and a crybaby. It's easy to say that when it's been 6 months and he's still going on about GSP. I never said he was in bad shape during a 155 fight. He's saying that it's impossible for GSP to stay thin without steroids, which is complete and utter bull****. Some people simply stay in shape all year around, while others don't. BJ simply falls into that "others don't" category.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:51 PM
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So, You should dislike Kenny too,
he now admits texting BJ's camp to warn about GSP cheating.
Source?


Last I remember Kenny admitted to saying it about Huerta.
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Old 08-06-2009, 09:57 PM
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So, You should dislike Kenny too,
he now admits texting BJ's camp to warn about GSP cheating.
I could swear Kenny admitted texting about Huerta not GSP??? No matter how stupid it makes KenFlo look changing his story from before, he doesn't cut down or PUBLICY make baseless accusations about his competitors everytime the press is around. It was a TEXT message. And if he has, it probably wasn't to the extent of what BJs been doing. I never said I liked kenflo, I just said I wanted to see him beat BJ.
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