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Old 07-24-2009, 12:07 AM
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The President's speech last night, Health Care Reform..........?!?!?!?

So........I'm a teacher........and I LIKE my health insurance plan...........

so I will get to keep it? As long as my Board of Education keeps our plan?

People who have existing plans won't change? People without plans will be covered?

yes?
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:50 AM
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I didn't listen that closely however, it sounds like nothing changes. We, the tax payers,our health care stays the same. People that don't pay taxes, or even have jobs....we still pay for Maybe I missed something?
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Old 07-24-2009, 05:28 AM
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I've been listening to some of this tonight and it sounds like Obama is trying to make it sound like nothing will change for those who want to keep their own insurance, but others are saying that is not so. The people against this plan say private plans will not be able to compete with this low cost government plan. One lady put it really well, the two plans being offered (I guess Obama's and the Democrats which she read) are great for "healthy" people just not great for sick people. Obama is saying all these diseases and medical conditions (diabetes, cancer, heart and lung problems, etc.) are preventable. He's not taking into account genetics, diseases like MS, etc... that people have no control over. I just found out I have lung cancer. I have never smoked a day in my life. Their is cancer however on both sides of my family. So where would I fit into Obama's plan if he's successful in getting it passed. Plus, they say (as usual) there are other things tacked onto this so-called wonder health care plan besides the health care that is costing this trillions of $.

Like Nate and others are saying, beware of these so-called "freebies". It looks like we'd be paying for them by giving up our freedom to "choose" what we want. By the way, it looks like the president and congress have excluded themselves from this wonderful health care plan from what I've heard. If it's so great, why aren't they leading the pack starting with the President by actually using it themselves.
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Old 07-24-2009, 03:05 PM
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oh wow..........

well if he all about "prevention" then everyone in NJ will have to move to another state. We have horrible air and water pollution and every 20 minutes a child is diagnosed with Autism.

There is a theory that Autism is connected to pollution and other environmental factors. NJ and CA have the highest Autism rates in the entire US.

Bonnie I am so sorry to hear about your troubles! I will be praying for your recovery!
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Old 07-24-2009, 04:09 PM
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According to my mom (nurse) the high autism rate is caused by the vaccinations most kids are getting these days.
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Old 07-24-2009, 04:38 PM
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According to my mom (nurse) the high autism rate is caused by the vaccinations most kids are getting these days.

This has been proven untrue.

From time to time, rumors circulate that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative once used in several vaccines (and still used in some flu vaccine), could contribute to ASDs. However, valid scientific studies have shown there is no link. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Medical Association (AMA), the CDC, and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that science does not support a link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. For the IOM report, please go to http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3793/4705/4717.aspx


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Old 07-24-2009, 06:19 PM
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This has been proven untrue.

From time to time, rumors circulate that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative once used in several vaccines (and still used in some flu vaccine), could contribute to ASDs. However, valid scientific studies have shown there is no link. The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the American Medical Association (AMA), the CDC, and the Institute of Medicine (IOM) agree that science does not support a link between thimerosal in vaccines and autism. For the IOM report, please go to http://www.iom.edu/CMS/3793/4705/4717.aspx


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How do they explain a healthy normal child who gets vaccinated and then becomes autistic? This is what puzzles me. I think there must be something in certain people (in their genetic make-up) that predisposes them when given certain vaccines to autism. I just don't think they can "lump" every person together when they say there is no link whether to the thimerosal or something else within the vaccines that is reacting negatively to that person's body where the outcome is autism or some other disorder. They admit that the increase in autism "may" be due to certain factors and that they still do not know the cause of autism. So how can they 100% rule out that in certain individuals these vaccines might "trigger" something in their brains...

Look at what's happened to some young girls/women given the HPV vaccine. We've heard where some suffered paralysis and even death after given the vaccine while others had no such adverse side effects. One study shows that "all" young women between the ages of 18-26 should get this vaccine while the American Cancer Society says that not all young women between 18-26 need this vaccine. So who are you to believe?

All I'm saying is if I had a child who was walking and talking and interacting and then he got a vaccination and all that was reversed and he was then diagnosed as autistic, I would definitely have ?s about whether that vaccine played a part in what happened to my child. Why are some people allergic (in some cases fatally) to bee stings, penicilin, codeine or to peanut butter and others aren't?

Sorry, Amy, my thoughts on this aren't meant to be disrespectful to you or your views, but rather to question all these organizations claiming such a "blanket" statement regarding a link. They think there isn't a link, I think they just haven't found it yet. I've learned from my own personal medical experience that sometimes doctors try to fit all of us in the same cookie cutter mold that we all don't necessarily fit.

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Old 07-24-2009, 06:42 PM
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How do they explain a healthy normal child who gets vaccinated and then becomes autistic? This is what puzzles me. I think there must be something in certain people (in their genetic make-up) that predisposes them when given certain vaccines to autism. I just don't think they can "lump" every person together when they say there is no link whether to the thimerosal or something else within the vaccines that is reacting negatively to that person's body where the outcome is autism or some other disorder. They admit that the increase in autism "may" be due to certain factors and that they still do not know the cause of autism. So how can they 100% rule out that in certain individuals these vaccines might "trigger" something in their brains...

Autism cannot be diagnosed before a certain age. The timing of the vaccine was changed slightly to see if there was a link to the vaccine. It was proven to be unrelated. It just happens that the developmental delays showed up at that time of the child's life after receiving the vaccine. Does that make sense or do I need to word it differently?

There is a genetic component to autistic disorders and probable environmental triggers as there are states with higher incidence of autism. I believe CA and NJ have the highest but that is right off the top of my head so I could be wrong about the Jersey babies.


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Old 07-24-2009, 06:45 PM
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i am sure he is gonna base it off what some other countries are doing ... like here in canada, everyone has the access to healthcare as needed and it is in the taxes ... so if you break your arm, you go get a cast, no bill, if your company provides you with insurance, you get upgraded .. so instead of sharing a room with 1 or 3 other sick folks, you get a private or semi-private ... not all jobs have benefits, so it is good for those people ... and you don't hear of people coming out of the hospital with $100,000 bill from open-heart surgery ... it is definitely something that you take for granted ... when ever i go, there are people new in the country and they are so happy just to speak with a family doctor, have their heart beat listened too, it is really weird when i see it ...
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Autism cannot be diagnosed before a certain age. The timing of the vaccine was changed slightly to see if there was a link to the vaccine. It was proven to be unrelated. It just happens that the developmental delays showed up at that time of the child's life after receiving the vaccine. Does that make sense or do I need to word it differently?

There is a genetic component to autistic disorders and probable environmental triggers as there are states with higher incidence of autism. I believe CA and NJ have the highest but that is right off the top of my head so I could be wrong about the Jersey babies.


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