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Old 06-17-2009, 11:06 AM
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Okay you might be thinking that I accidentally posted this thread in the wrong section, but there is just something about this article on Marvel.com that has me a little bothered:
http://marvel.com/news/comicstories....eborn_Revealed

Namely the last two paragraphs (emphasis added):
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"We got very fortunate in that the death of Cap garnered so much mainstream media attention and affected so many people," reflects Brevoort. "I think [that was] both because of what Captain America symbolizes even to people who haven't been following his adventures month after month, and that it happened just as there was a shift in the overall tenor of the nation. Cap's death came to be seen as indicative of some larger truths about the state of [America]. The death of Cap seemed to symbolize the death of hope.

"In terms of bringing Steve back, that too seems to reflect today's feeling of positivity [and] a world in which we want to believe in heroes again, that good men can triumph and that we can be our own better selves."
Now why would they want to politicize this whole storyline like this? The Death of Captain America story was published in 2007, so the "death of hope" quote is a clear reference to the Bush Administration. Did the Death of Superman story from 1993 signify our loss of faith in America? Of course not, because a Democrat was President.

Marvel Comics is already in bed with Obama, their special Spider-Man comic proved that. So I'm a little worried that they're going to be using Captain America to endorse the Secular Progressive agenda of the Obama Administration. Values that completely contradict the character of Captain America (a fictional character, yes, but you can't deny that these storylines have a lot of influence over people).

A little bit of history: Captain America was created in 1941 as a patriotic hero that American readers could rally around as the war in Europe raged on. His very first appearance showed him punching out Adolf Hitler a full 10 months before Pearl Harbor. So there was no mystery about what this character stood for. In fact, in an early issue, Captain America captured a female Nazi agent and had this to say to her:
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I'm going to let you return to Germany because rats of your kind don't deserve to be in a free land -- even in prison! -- and you can tell that Austrian paper hanger this -- Tell him that our freedom has been threatened before and we're still around to tackle anyone who thinks he can take it from us now! Hitler and his loot-crazed barbarians will find the farmer of Lexington and Concord still very much alive in the spirit of every modern American!
I wish that were still true today.

Anyways, I think I would prefer it if Marvel just left Steve Rogers dead and not profaned the intent of his original creators, Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, by re-imagining him as a Liberal Socialist.
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SO I guess that means that Capt America will rise from the ashes now that Obama is pres and bring the state of America back to being respectable like it was in the past .. also, Capt America was originally supposed to be black so this would be very fitting ..
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SO I guess that means that Capt America will rise from the ashes now that Obama is pres and bring the state of America back to being respectable like it was in the past .. also, Capt America was originally supposed to be black so this would be very fitting ..
If conforming to European socialism is what it takes to make America "respectable," then I'd take the disrespect any day.

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you live in, but America has NEVER been respected in the world. Not even during WW2. The British thought the American generals were incompetent and, only 5 years after we liberated them from the Nazis, the French were already making anti-America propaganda. So I don't know where you are getting this myth that the rest of the world has ever loved the United States.
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If conforming to European socialism is what it takes to make America "respectable," then I'd take the disrespect any day.

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you live in, but America has NEVER been respected in the world. Not even during WW2. The British thought the American generals were incompetent and, only 5 years after we liberated them from the Nazis, the French were already making anti-America propaganda. So I don't know where you are getting this myth that the rest of the world has ever loved the United States.
Well I love America. I live in Toronto and the rest of Canada hates us Torontonians because they say we wish we were "Americans" .... I don't know how we try and act American. I am Canadian, but I feel America is our closest rivals. Doesn't mean we have to agree with everything ... Sure I am just one person ... but you are right ...
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Well I love America. I live in Toronto and the rest of Canada hates us Torontonians because they say we wish we were "Americans" .... I don't know how we try and act American. I am Canadian, but I feel America is our closest rivals. Doesn't mean we have to agree with everything ... Sure I am just one person ... but you are right ...
Well, there have always been sensible people, like yourself, who understand that, while America is not perfect, our nation has done a lot of good throughout our history. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the world has always looked down on America and it's citizens.
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Well, there have always been sensible people, like yourself, who understand that, while America is not perfect, our nation has done a lot of good throughout our history. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the world has always looked down on America and it's citizens.
The way i see it is people are jealous ... people want their countries to be like the US and if they can't be like that, then talk smack ... that is all it is ... the US has found the success of having freedom and being successful at the same time and some coutries can't duplicate that success ... Look at the former USSR, they were a strong nation when under the Soviet regime, but the people wanted to listen to rock and roll and wear blue jeans, now they can, but the country is struggling ... so they look at the US with envy ... well, that is the way i see it ...........
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SO I guess that means that Capt America will rise from the ashes now that Obama is pres and bring the state of America back to being respectable like it was in the past .. also, Capt America was originally supposed to be black so this would be very fitting ..
Care to enlighten me on when that has EVER happened?
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Opps. Nevermind.


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If conforming to European socialism is what it takes to make America "respectable," then I'd take the disrespect any day.

I don't know what kind of fantasy land you live in, but America has NEVER been respected in the world. Not even during WW2. The British thought the American generals were incompetent and, only 5 years after we liberated them from the Nazis, the French were already making anti-America propaganda. So I don't know where you are getting this myth that the rest of the world has ever loved the United States.
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Today's positivity? I'm not seeing so much of that.




This is crazy times.
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Today's positivity? I'm not seeing so much of that.




This is crazy times.
All depends where you live.

In the south everyone is worried there president is a socialist in the North everyone is jumping for joy just because their president is black.
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