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http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion%27s_Seed

I phrased my answer the way I did in reference to the book: Albion's Seed.

The sad state of England depresses me. America is in bad shape but not as bad as England. At one point in time I wanted to visit, but the England that I admire only exists in history books now.
I've never read the book. I know the term is a real ancient reference to the British Isles, that was used by the Classical Cultures previous to Romanization and awareness of the Celts.

America is our offspring, and she has a lot of her Mothers Traits doesnt she I admire America so much because I see in her, what We used to be. America is now the last vestege for Christondom. Rome has gone, The Anglican Communion is weak...only the Christian Right in America keep the torch burning

The thing is...how can you admire Englands heratage if your arent a Royalist?? What bit of our past is it you wish was still living For me, its the power of the Monarchy, the Tradition of Ceremonial, and The British Empire.

We never recovered from the Two World Wars...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPomGrg0aPI


"the British people are left exhausted. The Nation, Shattered, by austerity and debt. The Presteige and Ideals of Empire are Fading. As the Empire Crumbles, Imperial Attitudes Live on. Britian and Her Empire must confront the legacy of intollerance, paternalism, and Prejudice...

...."Most of us are white in the head, but feel black inside, we arent black or white, we are a lonely, lost, sad, displaced group of people"...."What is their in my culture you value?"...." We were told England was the greates country in the world, we came here, and to our suprise, found you wouldnt accept us!"...

... The old idea of Empire is repugnant to us today, but the collonies are a legacy, which we inherited, and which can not just be thrown off."
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you might also want to watch this short video...it is about how the Islamists are once again invading Europe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbGz6iHcbTU
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you might also want to watch this short video...it is about how the Islamists are once again invading Europe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbGz6iHcbTU

Have you read Mark Steyn's America Alone? It is a must-read. In brief, he documents Europe's plummeting birthrate and the concomitant high rates of Muslim immigration and high Muslim birthrate. Most European countries are not even having enough children to replace the population yet alone have population growth. The subject matter is historically important but is essentially ignored by academia, the media, politicians, etc. He predicts a future "Eurabia" with massive changes in Europe's culture. Additionally, the European socialist welfare state will collapse. It is frightening stuff but if you read only one book this year make it this one.
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Have you read Mark Steyn's America Alone? It is a must-read. In brief, he documents Europe's plummeting birthrate and the concomitant high rates of Muslim immigration and high Muslim birthrate. Most Europian countries are not even having enough children to replace the population yet alone have population growth. The subject matter is historically important but is essentially ignored by academia, the media, politicians, etc. He predicts a future "Eurabia" with massive changes in Europe's culture. Additionally, the Europian socialist welfare state will collapse. It is frightening stuff but if you read only one book this year make it this one.
All things eventually come to pass I suppose

All the Great Empires of olde have been Eclipsed in one way or another, perhaps we are just still in that same cycle dispite the post-modern age, after the Islamists, may come the chinese for all we know.

Europe is probably past saving at this point. But there is hope that America can push on. Her rise is only Sixty Years old. The Average span for an Empire is around 2-3 Centuries. With any luck America will be able to preserve what little is left of her Parents and their Ilk.
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I've never read the book. I know the term is a real ancient reference to the British Isles, that was used by the Classical Cultures previous to Romanization and awareness of the Celts.

America is our offspring, and she has a lot of her Mothers Traits doesnt she I admire America so much because I see in her, what We used to be. America is now the last vestege for Christondom. Rome has gone, The Anglican Communion is weak...only the Christian Right in America keep the torch burning

The thing is...how can you admire Englands heratage if your arent a Royalist?? What bit of our past is it you wish was still living For me, its the power of the Monarchy, the Tradition of Ceremonial, and The British Empire.

We never recovered from the Two World Wars...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPomGrg0aPI


"the British people are left exhausted. The Nation, Shattered, by austerity and debt. The Presteige and Ideals of Empire are Fading. As the Empire Crumbles, Imperial Attitudes Live on. Britian and Her Empire must confront the legacy of intollerance, paternalism, and Prejudice...

...."Most of us are white in the head, but feel black inside, we arent black or white, we are a lonely, lost, sad, displaced group of people"...."What is their in my culture you value?"...." We were told England was the greates country in the world, we came here, and to our suprise, found you wouldnt accept us!"...

... The old idea of Empire is repugnant to us today, but the collonies are a legacy, which we inherited, and which can not just be thrown off."

What do I admire about English heritage? In less than 30 seconds I thought of the following: OED, Magna Carta, Shakespeare, RAF and the Battle of Britain ("if the British Empire and its commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour""), Winston Churchill, White Horse Inn, Westminster standards, Cambridge, Oxford, Isaac Newton, etc., etc., etc. I don't know how you could ever tease out the contribution of the monarchy to each of these events and people. It seems like you feel passionately about this subject. Perhaps we can agree that England has a rich cultural heritage which hopefully isn't in irreversible decline and we can agree to disagree about the merits of monarchy vs. other forms of government?
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I've never read the book. I know the term is a real ancient reference to the British Isles, that was used by the Classical Cultures previous to Romanization and awareness of the Celts.

America is our offspring, and she has a lot of her Mothers Traits doesnt she I admire America so much because I see in her, what We used to be. America is now the last vestege for Christondom. Rome has gone, The Anglican Communion is weak...only the Christian Right in America keep the torch burning

The thing is...how can you admire Englands heratage if your arent a Royalist?? What bit of our past is it you wish was still living For me, its the power of the Monarchy, the Tradition of Ceremonial, and The British Empire.

We never recovered from the Two World Wars...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPomGrg0aPI


"the British people are left exhausted. The Nation, Shattered, by austerity and debt. The Presteige and Ideals of Empire are Fading. As the Empire Crumbles, Imperial Attitudes Live on. Britian and Her Empire must confront the legacy of intollerance, paternalism, and Prejudice...

...."Most of us are white in the head, but feel black inside, we arent black or white, we are a lonely, lost, sad, displaced group of people"...."What is their in my culture you value?"...." We were told England was the greates country in the world, we came here, and to our suprise, found you wouldnt accept us!"...

... The old idea of Empire is repugnant to us today, but the collonies are a legacy, which we inherited, and which can not just be thrown off."
Have you ever read any of the essays by Theodore Dalrymple? He is a British physician who writes about the cultural decline of Britain, with emphasis on the pathology of the underclass.
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What do I admire about English heritage? In less than 30 seconds I thought of the following: OED, Magna Carta, Shakespeare, RAF and the Battle of Britain ("if the British Empire and its commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour""), Winston Churchill, White Horse Inn, Westminster standards, Cambridge, Oxford, Isaac Newton, etc., etc., etc. I don't know how you could ever tease out the contribution of the monarchy to each of these events and people. It seems like you feel passionately about this subject. Perhaps we can agree that England has a rich cultural heritage which hopefully isn't in irreversible decline and we can agree to disagree about the merits of monarchy vs. other forms of government?
The Magna Carte?

Your a Parliamentarian then The Magna Carte being an attempt by the barons to reign in...wasnt it King John? I forget which Monarch it was.

Opposite sides of the Civil War, you and I What we discovered from Cromwell was that a Government, A democratic Government, can be JUST as corrupt and Dictatorial as a Monarchy. Not all Dictatorships are bad ones...After all, the Divine World runs on a Dictatorship and not Democracy.

Democrasy is just the most fair way of getting a leadership in. Once they are in though, they can be as bad as an unellected leadership. England at Present is under an unellected dumbass of a Prime Minister

As for HM The Queen, she is "the embodiement of the Nation" The Fact England HAD an Empire is down to Monarchy and Armed Forces...two things very much in Decline. Britainnia NO LONGER rules the waves I'm afraid...we struggled to hold down Basra

Another Video for you to watch...Just listen to the language used, and the Titles given by The Garter

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E93KHq965K8
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Have you ever read any of the essays by Theodore Dalrymple? He is a British physician who writes about the cultural decline of Britain, with emphasis on the pathology of the underclass.
No I havent.

I might look into some of these works you reccomend. You are obviously most learned I should really spend more time researching these matters
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No I havent.

I might look into some of these works you reccomend. You are obviously most learned I should really spend more time researching these matters
http://blog.skepticaldoctor.com/

This is a link to a website dedicated to the works of Theodore Dalrymple (the pseudonym of Dr. Anthony Daniels). You can read some of his essays there.
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All things eventually come to pass I suppose

All the Great Empires of olde have been Eclipsed in one way or another, perhaps we are just still in that same cycle dispite the post-modern age, after the Islamists, may come the chinese for all we know.

Europe is probably past saving at this point. But there is hope that America can push on. Her rise is only Sixty Years old. The Average span for an Empire is around 2-3 Centuries. With any luck America will be able to preserve what little is left of her Parents and their Ilk.
http://www.britsattheirbest.com/

Things aren't all bad. "Britsattheirbest.com should cheer you up a bit.
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