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Old 06-14-2009, 01:23 AM
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Fascinating...but merely a facet of your own Legality.

Whether Congress or President, neither, or both sign off on a War, ONLY makes it legal INSIDE America. The moment you take action, you are in breech of International Law...as soon as that happens, in the eyes of the World, your war is not justified.

Try to understand Ben, there is more to this world then America, and the International Community has checks and ballences also. Its called Democrasy, and its called a World Opinion....without that in your Favour, it doesnt actually matter to the rest of the world what your Congress, or your President say.

This is what you guys just dont understand. Actually, you are NOT at the top of the food chain, not in anything. If all the International Community banded together, our Joint Military Force would be more then yours. In terms of Population (proportional Representation for the planet) America is not as significant a voice in the world as you would like to believe.

I dont want to be mean...but you dont seem to understand Democrasy, nor do you seem to be at all humble in your dealings with the rest of the world. You believe that you alone have the ultimate power and the ultimate right. That is Pride...that will eventually be your downfall

Getting Congressional approval is only HALF your battle to committing a Just war. As I understand it, in regards to Iraq, both the UK and US broke International Law whilst maintaining their own law of the land within their boarders. THAT doesnt make it Just.
Hahahaha, I love it! This is Dave-fu at it's finest! "What, they've disproven my theories? Hmmm...time to switch the topic of conversation to something that's almost what we were talking about."

Dave, you are now off-topic. RNC said that this was "Bush's war" or that "Bush pushed us into this" or something along those lines. Denise & I pointed out that this was patently false, as it's impossible for a president start a war. You tried to tell that we were wrong. We both pointed out that you're 100% mistaken. Since you're incapable of admitting when you've made a mistake or that you're wrong, you must now try to de-rail the thread by accusing us of international crimes. If you want to discuss whether or not the US is guilty of anything on an international front, start a new thread, because it's entirely superfluous to the subject at hand. You've lost this argument, period, end of story. No amount of back-peddling, red herrings or topic-shifts will change that.
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:13 PM
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Hahahaha, I love it! This is Dave-fu at it's finest! "What, they've disproven my theories? Hmmm...time to switch the topic of conversation to something that's almost what we were talking about."

Dave, you are now off-topic. RNC said that this was "Bush's war" or that "Bush pushed us into this" or something along those lines. Denise & I pointed out that this was patently false, as it's impossible for a president start a war. You tried to tell that we were wrong. We both pointed out that you're 100% mistaken. Since you're incapable of admitting when you've made a mistake or that you're wrong, you must now try to de-rail the thread by accusing us of international crimes. If you want to discuss whether or not the US is guilty of anything on an international front, start a new thread, because it's entirely superfluous to the subject at hand. You've lost this argument, period, end of story. No amount of back-peddling, red herrings or topic-shifts will change that.
Actualy, I'm the only one still on topic. I've been talking about the international Community because if you look at the start of the thread...its what Obama said about making links with the international Community.

So in regards to war...are we not talking about International Community?

Thats why I was confused by Denise. Her question, I answered from an International View point...when she was just talking purely about homeland American politics.

So try sticking to the Subject at hand Ben. This is supposed to be about the International community and I'm the only one still talking about it. You guys are talking about America...once again, as if the whole world never existed
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Actualy, I'm the only one still on topic. I've been talking about the international Community because if you look at the start of the thread...its what Obama said about making links with the international Community.

So in regards to war...are we not talking about International Community?

Thats why I was confused by Denise. Her question, I answered from an International View point...when she was just talking purely about homeland American politics.

So try sticking to the Subject at hand Ben. This is supposed to be about the International community and I'm the only one still talking about it. You guys are talking about America...once again, as if the whole world never existed
I don't know what the hell you are talking about, Dave. Unless you are in the wrong thread. lol

This thread is titled 'Who is WE'? Speaking of The United States of America as We.

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I don't know what the hell you are talking about, Dave. Unless you are in the wrong thread. lol

This thread is titled 'Who is WE'? Speaking of The United States of America as We.

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This is the wrong Thread I think....oooops


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This is the wrong Thread I think....oooops


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See, Dave, if you kept your posting down to a reasonable amount like the rest of of, this wouldn't happen!

(I beat Dave!!!!)
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While I do like Superman, he's probably my favorite DC superhero (with Martian Manhunter being a close second). I just can't see putting him on a team at all. He's too powerful and, like Spider-Man and Batman, is really better as a solo operator.

Captain America is just the quintessential "rally the troops" type of hero, so he gets to be the leader of my team.
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I guess that now we need to go ahead & put Tim on the list of fighters that needs to hang up the gloves, too, huh? Man, what a way to crush your career!
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I dont want to be mean...but you dont seem to understand Democrasy, nor do you seem to be at all humble in your dealings with the rest of the world. You believe that you alone have the ultimate power and the ultimate right. That is Pride...that will eventually be your downfall

Getting Congressional approval is only HALF your battle to committing a Just war. As I understand it, in regards to Iraq, both the UK and US broke International Law whilst maintaining their own law of the land within their boarders. THAT doesnt make it Just.
That is what I was trying to say in the other thread,
we think we're the best, we think we're always right.
A lot of the time we act like the bratty bully kid in school,
our reasons are always justified, we do not admit wrong,
and we do what we want.
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That is what I was trying to say in the other thread,
we think we're the best, we think we're always right.
A lot of the time we act like the bratty bully kid in school,
our reasons are always justified, we do not admit wrong,
and we do what we want.
To quote Iron Man:
"That's how dad did it. That's how America does it. And it's worked out pretty well so far."

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To quote Iron Man:
"That's how dad did it. That's how America does it. And it's worked out pretty well so far."

lol
I love that movie.
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