Clay/Nate

[F34R]

I have to watch this one again. I remember being pissed the entire fight because I didn't think Nate was doing anything. Tyburn is usually close to how I would see it, so I wonder where I went wrong on this one. Definitely going to watch it again.

by ufc rules for scoring a fight, Clay won, but he was pissing me off because it just seemed to me like he was just trying to hold on to his back and pray he won a decision

He didn't try to finish the fight once. That's two of his last fights I sincerely hate.

[rockdawg21]

Clay smothered Diaz in the first 2 rounds, easy win on the first 2 rounds for Clay. As for the 3rd round, Diaz landed some pretty sweet strikes, then got smothered again for the remainder of the round. I'd say 29-28 Clay.

Originally Posted by Tyburn

I had Diaz winning....what did Guida do to win? nothing on the feet, holding Diaz in a body lock and going to sleep on his back doesnt equal control

...Nice Full Nelson though

A. sigh... using wrestling to nullify a striker's stand-up game (in this case, a pretty damn good stand-up game) IS controlling the fight. He slammed Nate a few times, scored takedowns, reversals, threw several high crotches, tied him up in the clinch, he worked a 3 quarter and I def saw him use a cradle, he nubbed Diaz's reversal/take down attempts. I think this was one of the best examples of using wrestling to complete control the fight.

Diaz had such a HUGE reach advantage and dangerous stand-up and he's a brown belt in BJJ. e.i. standing in front of him and banging is a terrible idea, and sitting in his guard is a terrible idea. Clay worked his wrestling and took away all options for Diaz. Perfection.

B. That was a pretty sweet full nelson, though it was the second I have seen in the UFC, I think Fitch did one as well. But he tried it as a submission where Clay used it EXTREMELY effectively to gain side control

[Spiritwalker]

Originally Posted by matthughesfan21

by ufc rules for scoring a fight, Clay won, but he was pissing me off because it just seemed to me like he was just trying to hold on to his back and pray he won a decision

Not UFC rules.

Unified MMA Rules.

Originally Posted by Spiritwalker

Not UFC rules.

Unified MMA Rules.

the Unified rules came from the UFC rules. IMO the judging criteria in PRIDE was much much better.

[Llamafighter]

Originally Posted by Max

the Unified rules came from the UFC rules. IMO the judging criteria in PRIDE was much much better.

I actually disagree. There were several fight I watched that went to decision in which one guy dominated all but the final round and lost the decision because the judges were likley to favor what they saw last.

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by TheConcretekid

A. sigh... using wrestling to nullify a striker's stand-up game (in this case, a pretty damn good stand-up game) IS controlling the fight. He slammed Nate a few times, scored takedowns, reversals, threw several high crotches, tied him up in the clinch, he worked a 3 quarter and I def saw him use a cradle, he nubbed Diaz's reversal/take down attempts. I think this was one of the best examples of using wrestling to complete control the fight.

Diaz had such a HUGE reach advantage and dangerous stand-up and he's a brown belt in BJJ. e.i. standing in front of him and banging is a terrible idea, and sitting in his guard is a terrible idea. Clay worked his wrestling and took away all options for Diaz. Perfection.

B. That was a pretty sweet full nelson, though it was the second I have seen in the UFC, I think Fitch did one as well. But he tried it as a submission where Clay used it EXTREMELY effectively to gain side control

I didn't know how to say ALL that, but if I had, you would have taken the words right out of my mouth.

Whenever, Clay was on top of him (I guess in Diaz's guard) I was screaming at the TV for Clay to watch out for those long legs; Diaz almost could have had him a couple of times. I'm surprised that Dave and some others just saw the fight as Clay just laying on Diaz's back or as just "holding" him. I think both of them were being "defensive" in trying not to be caught by the other.

Originally Posted by TheConcretekid

A. sigh... using wrestling to nullify a striker's stand-up game (in this case, a pretty damn good stand-up game) IS controlling the fight. He slammed Nate a few times, scored takedowns, reversals, threw several high crotches, tied him up in the clinch, he worked a 3 quarter and I def saw him use a cradle, he nubbed Diaz's reversal/take down attempts. I think this was one of the best examples of using wrestling to complete control the fight.

Diaz had such a HUGE reach advantage and dangerous stand-up and he's a brown belt in BJJ. e.i. standing in front of him and banging is a terrible idea, and sitting in his guard is a terrible idea. Clay worked his wrestling and took away all options for Diaz. Perfection.

B. That was a pretty sweet full nelson, though it was the second I have seen in the UFC, I think Fitch did one as well. But he tried it as a submission where Clay used it EXTREMELY effectively to gain side control

QFT