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Old 05-20-2009, 11:32 AM
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Default Mayweather vs. Marquez, does anybody even care?

- 2 counter punchers fighting each other is almost always boring
- Marquez fights at 135 and usually weighs 138-140 on fight night
- Mayweather fights at 147 and usually weighs 151-154 on fight night
- The fight is taking place at 147 meaning a significant disadvantage for Marquez

I'm sure JB will argue this, but this is just more proof that PBF is a punk. Marquez fights at 135 and usually only weighs 138-140 on fight night. PBF has made sure this fight happens at 147. If PBF wants to come back to "prove he's the best", he's really going about this the wrong way. Prepare to see him grilled by boxing analysts. I realize it's a "tune up" fight, but this is ridiculous.

The idea of 2 counter punchers fighting each other makes me think of Sylvia/Arlovski III where they refused to throw punches at each other.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=19870&more=1

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Floyd Mayweather - Juan Manuel Marquez Will Be Fought At 147!

by James Slater - It seems Juan Manuel Marquez's chances of winning on July 18th are even slimmer. Forget all you've heard and read about the Mexican great's bout against Floyd Mayweather Junior being a catch-weight affair being fought at 143 or 144 pounds. According to Ring Online, in a news piece that went up late last night, the fight in Las Vegas will actually be fought at welterweight, with the limit, of course, being 147 pounds. Talk about an even taller order for the future Hall of Famer who goes by the nickname of "Dinamita!"

According to Ring, the returning Mayweather Junior is better than a three-and-a-half to one betting favourite. For although it remains to be seen if the 39-0(25) master will be affected by his months of inactivity when he steps into the ring at The MGM Grand in less than two month's time, the sheer size advantage "Money" will hold has swayed the bookmakers, and they think he will certainly emerge the victor..

Marquez, however, as gutsy as they come, is undaunted about any advantages Mayweather may hold over him, and he is positive he can shock the odds and win the fight that is being hyped up right now.

Ring reports that Marquez has been training in the Toluca Mountains in his homeland, and that the 35-year-old has been adding muscle to his frame.

"We're doing a lot of strength training," Juan Manuel said. "Building my body, building muscle. We're working out, believe it or not, lifting heavy rocks. We're just trying to get my body right for this fight."

Marquez realises what many people have been saying, pertaining to him having very little chance of winning on July 18th. But he is unconcerned.

"People have a right to say whatever they want," Marquez said. "That's what's motivating me right now. I'm confident. It motivates me to shut their mouths.

"I have a great chance to be the next idol in Mexico."

It is becoming the fighting hero of his country that perhaps motivates Marquez, the former featherweight, super-featherweight and lightweight king, more than anything. The Mexican people love their boxing, and if Marquez can upset Mayweather he will be ranked right alongside any great Mexican warrior you care to mention - and he will feel proud for the rest of his life.

Yes, this news of the bout being fought at full welterweight makes the mountain an even tougher one for Marquez to climb, but it wasn't too long ago we were all downplaying Manny Pacquiao's chances against Oscar De La Hoya and others due to his giving away so much natural weight. Such thinking, after what the former 107-pounder was able to do against Oscar and Ricky Hatton, has been totally forgotten.

Maybe Juan Manuel Marquez is yet another fighter who is able to win against naturally bigger men and continue doing so?
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Ex-queeze me? I care!! So like yeah WAR MARQUEZ!!!!!!!!! He needs to eat some tortillas and gain some weight!!
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Either way Floyd will get his just desserts when pac-Man KO's him.
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Old 05-20-2009, 03:03 PM
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well, money mayweather needs the dough, so i guess he cares .. LOL .. too bad he beats marquez than pacquiao ... cuz i really don't like him ..
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People who just don't like Floyd are gonna look for any reason to hate on him that they can find. If you really wanna go down this road I can start listing every boxer who ever demanded a certain weight for a fight, or boxers who "ducked" other fighters. However, the last time I made a list of fighters to prove a point, it fell on deaf ears. Guess people don't really watch boxing as much as they say they do.

Floyd left as a welterweight, and he is returning as a welterweight. Marquez is lucky he is even getting a chance to cash a huge a paycheck and fight Floyd. If JMM did not want to fight at 147, he did not have to. Why should Floyd cut down when he has been fighting at 147 pounds since 2005 and is considered the best in the world?

Not EVERYTHING in the fight-game is about a popularity contest. Just because people don't understand Floyd's style, or get some of his antics, they blindly hate on him without even so much as giving him the respect he has earned and deserves. See, I don't try to do that to ANY athlete, unless they are truly the arch-rival of one of my favorite athletes, and even then I come right out and admit I just being a hater. Plus, I just don't get all the disdain people have to show for Floyd. If they took any time at all to read up on the guy they would see he is really a great dude.

Oh, and unless any of you have some sort of hard evidence that shows us Floyd's financial status, or words straight from Floyd's mouth please don't assume you know what you are talking about. The man is loaded and he has his hands in a lot of other business ventures. He didn't come back entirely for money, because we all know he never TRULY left in the first place.

Here is a quote straight from Floyd's mouth, and I think it's common sense that this is the biggest reason Floyd is back.
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"I was really missing just being around the sport,"
Go ahead and ride the Manny bandwagon while it's hot. Kevin Iole said it's okay.

EDIT : I am from now on referring to the Manny Bandwagon as the Man-Wagon.

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Ex-queeze me? I care!! So like yeah WAR MARQUEZ!!!!!!!!! He needs to eat some tortillas and gain some weight!!
Funny. Somebody on the PacMan forum showed a photo of Erik Morales now that he's fat and said with the Morales' diet, it'd be easy to get to 150 by fight time.
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Yeah, Marquez is crazy for allowing that to happen, so it does fall on his shoulders, but it still says something about Floyd once again stacking the odds in his favor. Good for the record, bad for the legacy, but it appears now, he doesn't care anymore, or so he says. It is nice to hear him respecting Marquez' skills although, IMO, he isn't being reasonable about the weight issue. Plus, Marquez is dying to get back in the ring with Pacquaio and I'd imagine he feels this is the only way to get a 3rd shot, by winning over Mayweather.

As for "hard evidence", I obviously can't provide it, but it'd been discussed months before his return:

$6.1 million dollars in back taxes from 2007
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...d-out-of-money
http://www.boxingscene.com/index.php?m=show&id=17856
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the...well_..._money

It also doesn't help that he was robbed of $7 million in jewelry last August
http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=8939288

Now it isn't hard evidence, but taking a $13.1 million hit coupled with the ineviteable loss of stock value had to cripple his wealth.

Yeah, but he says that now, AFTER Hatton got KOed by Pacquaio. Before the match, it was about "proving he's still the best." Since the fight, his comments have toned down about proving he's the best.

As for riding the "Manny bandwagon", I've been a fan since 2002 when he was a super bantamweight. Never did I expect him to go up so high in weight, but he was rolling over guys until he lost to Morales in 2005. I've always enjoyed his fights because he always takes it to the other fighter.
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People who just don't like Floyd are gonna look for any reason to hate on him that they can find. If you really wanna go down this road I can start listing every boxer who ever demanded a certain weight for a fight, or boxers who "ducked" other fighters. However, the last time I made a list of fighters to prove a point, it fell on deaf ears. Guess people don't really watch boxing as much as they say they do.

Floyd left as a welterweight, and he is returning as a welterweight. Marquez is lucky he is even getting a chance to cash a huge a paycheck and fight Floyd. If JMM did not want to fight at 147, he did not have to. Why should Floyd cut down when he has been fighting at 147 pounds since 2005 and is considered the best in the world?

Not EVERYTHING in the fight-game is about a popularity contest. Just because people don't understand Floyd's style, or get some of his antics, they blindly hate on him without even so much as giving him the respect he has earned and deserves. See, I don't try to do that to ANY athlete, unless they are truly the arch-rival of one of my favorite athletes, and even then I come right out and admit I just being a hater. Plus, I just don't get all the disdain people have to show for Floyd. If they took any time at all to read up on the guy they would see he is really a great dude.

Oh, and unless any of you have some sort of hard evidence that shows us Floyd's financial status, or words straight from Floyd's mouth please don't assume you know what you are talking about. The man is loaded and he has his hands in a lot of other business ventures. He didn't come back entirely for money, because we all know he never TRULY left in the first place.

Here is a quote straight from Floyd's mouth, and I think it's common sense that this is the biggest reason Floyd is back.


Go ahead and ride the Manny bandwagon while it's hot. Kevin Iole said it's okay.

EDIT : I am from now on referring to the Manny Bandwagon as the Man-Wagon.
i don't think anyone said he wasn't a good boxer, but when you act like a fool, you are gonna have some people hating on ya ...
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Rock, you do realize that Bleacher Report is a blogging community. Anybody can post articles there. I have an account there myself. The sporting news article is no more than an op-ed piece that references the Boxing-Scene article. Dave Larzelere obviously did not do his homework, because WWE has NEVER paid anybody anywhere near $20 milliion dollars for one performance. He is just another wannabe boxing e-journalist.

Six million in back taxes is a lot of money, but it's doubtful that he will end up having to pay that much back, and regardless, he has made well over $60 million dollars in JUST BOXING. This is a NON-STORY just being drummed up to make it look like Floyd is desperate and Manny is king. Stupid.

As for the $7 million in jewelry got robbed... Have you ever heard of insurance?

Nobody is going to be talking about this fight being at 147 when they talk about the legacy of PBF 20 years from now. Except of course for the bitter haters who just are just looking for a reason to bash him.

I'm glad you have only been on the Man-Wagon since 2002, you did not have to see him get Ko'd by Singsurat's jab.
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i don't think anyone said he wasn't a good boxer, but when you act like a fool, you are gonna have some people hating on ya ...
That's fine, be a hater, just admit it. Same thing I have always said.

Your view of him being a "fool" is your opinion. However it seems anytime people get called out on why they don't like the guy, their reasons are usually fickle and ridiculous.
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