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Old 05-19-2009, 09:53 PM
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No doubt that seatbelts save more lives than they end. However, if a state is going to allow motorcycles or even motorcyclists without helmets, then click or ticket is BS!
Indeed...they should do the Helmets aswell
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:00 PM
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well they make more money than anyone of smokes, ah-ah-ah-ah-ah-ahlcohol than anyone, so it off-sets it .... LOL

That logic is just flawed, and I think you know it.

It's crazy to say that public health care is a reason why the government should be able to dictate if you wear a seatbelt in a car, especially when the government allows so many more dangerous things to go on untouched, like smoking and drinking.

It's notions like that which is exactly why so many Americans fear the government nationalizing our health-care. It becomes a gateway for them to take over every facet of our lives.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:09 PM
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Canada rules! been there a bunch!
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That logic is just flawed, and I think you know it.

It's crazy to say that public health care is a reason why the government should be able to dictate if you wear a seatbelt in a car, especially when the government allows so many more dangerous things to go on untouched, like smoking and drinking.

It's notions like that which is exactly why so many Americans fear the government nationalizing our health-care. It becomes a gateway for them to take over every facet of our lives.
it may be flawed, but it is better than to just say, oh, let people do whatever they want ... so in canada, you can smoke, just not in any enclosed public place, you can drink but not drink and drive, you can't smoke in a car if there i a child in it ... they are banning cellphones while driving .... sure they may have a flawed system, but it is still better than nothing
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:55 PM
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it may be flawed, but it is better than to just say, oh, let people do whatever they want ... so in canada, you can smoke, just not in any enclosed public place, you can drink but not drink and drive, you can't smoke in a car if there i a child in it ... they are banning cellphones while driving .... sure they may have a flawed system, but it is still better than nothing
they did that here recently. I thought it would be great...but now I hate it. Before, you could stuff all the smokers into smoke rooms...now they stand by the doors and smoke, because they have nowhere else to do so, they are MORE in your face then they were before.

But the Government werent to know that.
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Old 05-19-2009, 10:59 PM
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they did that here recently. I thought it would be great...but now I hate it. Before, you could stuff all the smokers into smoke rooms...now they stand by the doors and smoke, because they have nowhere else to do so, they are MORE in your face then they were before.

But the Government werent to know that.
well, it isn't so bad here .... it was done for worker safety reasons ... so now people can't smoke in casinos, clubs etc, they jacked up the prices on fags and they can't be advertised anywhere, they can't even be displayed behind the counter anymore, but covered up ... so the gov't is doing their best to stop people from smoking imo ... if they ban it, they would have to ban KFC ... LOL ... although they did ban the use of transfat in them ...
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:25 PM
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well, it isn't so bad here .... it was done for worker safety reasons ... so now people can't smoke in casinos, clubs etc, they jacked up the prices on fags and they can't be advertised anywhere, they can't even be displayed behind the counter anymore, but covered up ... so the gov't is doing their best to stop people from smoking imo ... if they ban it, they would have to ban KFC ... LOL ... although they did ban the use of transfat in them ...
they cant ban them, because they get far to much money through them. They can put up the price, less people will buy, but those who do pay more, thus equalling out at the same income for the Governments

I dont know about displaying...I have to admit I havent seen any in ages!! but...could our Governments really be THAT close in legislature I mean...you do have your own afterall (We only share HM The Queen)
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it may be flawed, but it is better than to just say, oh, let people do whatever they want ... so in canada, you can smoke, just not in any enclosed public place, you can drink but not drink and drive, you can't smoke in a car if there i a child in it ... they are banning cellphones while driving .... sure they may have a flawed system, but it is still better than nothing


I want that one here!
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Old 05-19-2009, 11:49 PM
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the microchip implants will be mandatory soon.when you refuse, you will be cut off from society.
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Old 05-20-2009, 01:03 AM
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it may be flawed, but it is better than to just say, oh, let people do whatever they want ...

I forgot about all the mass hysteria and chaos caused by all the non-seatbelt wearers of the world.

This is not about smoking in cars with children, or drinkinig and driving. Those things can obviously cause HARM TO OTHERS. This is about wearing a seatbelt, and the government issuing fines. Not wearing a seatbelt does not cause harm or danger to anybody except the person who chooses not to wear it.

Your logic is that because Canada has nationalized health care, the government has a good reason to institute such a law. My argument is that having such a system only leaves your country open to be controlled by your government in every single facet of your life.

So, NO, having a law that is designed and based on lies is not "better than having nothing at all". There is no need for the law, it's only there as a form of control and a way to generate revenue.
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