Sean Sherk vs Frankie Edgar For UFC 98

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

I completely agree. What I hate is hearing refs say that a fighter needs to "improve position", which is not what the rules state. The rules say you must always be working to end the fight. If I'm stuck in your guard, defending submissions and throwing punches, then I'm working. I may not be advancing or "improving", but I am working, so back off me.

I think the ref is saying improve your position to the top guy, or else they will stand up .. at least in the UFC .. or maybe that is what you were getting at and i just read wrong ... in pride if there was no action, you get warned and yellow cards and stuff ... but passing a guard insn't easy .. some people can do damage from guard (not many) and half guard .. i also think the refs are swayed by the corners and crowd, they hear boos or the corner saying stand it up and they stand it up ...

I hope Sherk will look good in this fight. I want him to rematch BJ someday.

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

I completely agree. What I hate is hearing refs say that a fighter needs to "improve position", which is not what the rules state. The rules say you must always be working to end the fight. If I'm stuck in your guard, defending submissions and throwing punches, then I'm working. I may not be advancing or "improving", but I am working, so back off me.

you may be working but you are not working to end the fight. YOu just said the guy is defending submissions and throwing punches but if those punches are not thrown with the intent to end the fight why allow them to stay on the ground. It would be one thing if the judges would realize that when someone pulls guard they are not losing the fight. I would have no problem if they rewarded a fighter who is on his back for trying to finish the fight but this is never the case. The judges always think the fighter on top is winning and that is not always true.

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by KevinD

I hope Sherk will look good in this fight. I want him to rematch BJ someday.

me aswell. They should never have taken Seans gold away from him I'm glad that Armando Garcia has slid out the backdoor

Yes I was glad to see him leave. Some of those comission guys are pretty sleazy.

Originally Posted by Tyburn

me aswell. They should never have taken Seans gold away from him I'm glad that Armando Garcia has slid out the backdoor

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by KevinD

Yes I was glad to see him leave. Some of those comission guys are pretty sleazy.

I think he was like the ringleader...but then I dont think I knew of many others on the CSAC...but he was a nasty piece of work. I think he kinda framed Sherk...or was the person to try and cover the bungle that showed Sherks innocence after the blame had already been cast.

[VCURamFan]

Originally Posted by Max

you may be working but you are not working to end the fight. YOu just said the guy is defending submissions and throwing punches but if those punches are not thrown with the intent to end the fight why allow them to stay on the ground. It would be one thing if the judges would realize that when someone pulls guard they are not losing the fight. I would have no problem if they rewarded a fighter who is on his back for trying to finish the fight but this is never the case. The judges always think the fighter on top is winning and that is not always true.

It really comes down to education. If the judge understand that a guy on his back can be controlling & winning the fight, then it'd be fine. If the stupid beer guzzling masses understood anything about grappling, it'd be fine. If the ref could have a backbone & ignore outside influences, it'd be fine. How long are we gonna have to wait before this all happen?

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

It really comes down to education. If the judge understand that a guy on his back can be controlling & winning the fight, then it'd be fine. If the stupid beer guzzling masses understood anything about grappling, it'd be fine. If the ref could have a backbone & ignore outside influences, it'd be fine. How long are we gonna have to wait before this all happen?

probably longer then we have to wait for the Judges to be able to penalize the fighters for low blows and illegal moves on the grounds of fighter saftey without direct commands from Refs

[VCURamFan]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

probably longer then we have to wait for the Judges to be able to penalize the fighters for low blows and illegal moves on the grounds of fighter saftey without direct commands from Refs

Yeah, heaven forbid that there be a qualification process judges have to go through.

Sherk = wayyy too big for Edgar to deal with.