Obama's Oval Office Hypocrisy

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Originally Posted by NateR

In America, our leaders aren't treated like royalty, they are treated like public servants. I can understand the English mentality, though. You guys are used to a monarchy and are considered servants of the Queen. In the US, it's just the opposite, the government answers to the people, not the other way around.

If Bush had taken that approach you would have been out of Iraq almost the month after the invasion. Good job he had a British Mentality and knew to lead.

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Originally Posted by Spiritwalker

First off the US will not tuck tail cause the UN says to..

responsible is a strong word .. he may had had to put them in harms way.. but had Saddam just complied with the UN.. Bush wouldn't have had to force Saddam's hand..

Oh yeah.. another country that didn't give a damn about the UN.. and what about our allies... that went with us..

Why not? The United States doesnt have any authority outside of her Boarders....you dont rule the world, and like it or not, if you mess with another country, and need support, you need friends...you dont get friends if you arent respectful of them. Why do you expect Saddam to comply with the United Nations IF YOU WONT?

Your allies that went with you faced attacks because they sided with you. Various bombings, including the bombing of London in 2005. Your Allies were attacked because they stood with you, thats what happened to your allies.

You wonder why there is a wane in support for the United States...if Europe treated you, like you treated them, you'd be the first to get angry. What if A state in Europe thought that the replacement for Obama in Chicago was a complete scandal...which I hear it was...and wanted to "Liberate" the people of Illinois...and so without consultation mounted a campaign to Invade?...but didnt bother going to the UN because they never solve anything.

How would you feel if you were treated that way? You are ONLY independant and Soverign WITHIN your boarders...Iraq is NOT within your Boarders...therefore if you want to act INTER-Nationally...you comply by INTER-National Law.

America of course ALWAYS turns to the UN to sort Israel out, because they havent the balls to tell her when she is wrong! You talk about Hypocrasy...there you are.

Now that all the parties are Hypocrits, perhaps we can get on with our lives?

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Originally Posted by NateR

You're right that comment did cross the line, but I'm just kind of used to that from Preach.

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Originally Posted by Jonlion

1)I got to stop you there, me personally i wouldn't bow to the Queen, she is no better than me and i am not subserviant to her or anyone for that matter.

1) yes you are, and I guarentee if you were in her presence you would think differently.

Before you think I'm being rude...I have been in her Presence...Though I wasnt addressing her at the time, so there was no need to bow. But I have bowed to many. The Lord Bishop of London, The ArchBishop of Canterbury...and every single person I led from a-b in the Cathedral started by greeting them with a bow, and ended by greeting them with a bow.

Heck I still do it now, when a car stops and lets me cross...its not a sign of submission, its a sign of respect. Just like when you walk past someone you know and you "nod" or when you salute someone more important then yourself in the Armed Forces...its doesnt mean Submission so much as Respect.

Your not so much bowing at the person, your respecting their office. I had to bow to Martin Warner, as a person, I hated the guy, and he hated me, but he had to bow to me in such circumstances also. I repected his office of Canon, he respected my office of Verger

but we didnt respect each other as people at all.

Its polite, its courtesy, its a matter of ettiquette

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Originally Posted by Jonlion

I remain unconvinnced about Global Warming. I of course believe we should treat the earth better and look at cleaner ways but the fact Politicians and the "stars" who sing at concerts try to make me feel bad about going on planes to travel, to have holidays we as workers deserve then thats when it makes me mad and want to say to hell with it!

Global Warming is real...but so is Global cooling.

People think that we are responsible for it. thats not quite true. Global Warming happens naturally, all we are doing is speeding the process up. I hasten to add Global Cooling is natural aswell, and that will happen when we tip the ratio of carbon...its a natural defence mechanism for the Earth.

So I dont think we will destroy the planet through Global warming, but the planet might destory us in its Global Cooling stage. Its actually works on Water

A natural flow of water keeps the earth warm, thats why England at the same lattitude as parts of Canada is warm during winter, when canada is not. Now as the carbon level rises (this happens naturally through waste gasses from almost every living thing including plants) the atmosphere traps more heat. The pole caps melt.

They release cold water, and that puts out the warmth of the sea. This means things freeze and snow and Ice are produced. Snow and ice reflect the heat out into space and give time for the carbon ballence to be restored...then the earth begins to heat again.

All we are doing is speeding the process up. Which means the cooling stage will be more violent. We're only a danger to ourselves in this.