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Old 01-29-2009, 10:48 PM
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Guess they had to get him on something.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:05 AM
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Two words to the heating of the oval office...

who cares?

It's a room. end of story, move on.

When the executive of the county his toasting his office.. and a plan he is backing (in the name of Socialism..IMO) causes a person to die from the cold in his own home....

That is something worth analyzing..
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:22 AM
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No Dubya is solely responsible for hundreds of thousands of iraqi deaths and thousands of US Soldier deaths but that is ok ...
Are you really this deluded? If you are, reply and let me know before I waste my time explaining exactly who is responsible for the deaths of Iraqi's and American soldiers. I don't really feel like wasting my time if you really believe what you wrote. If you do, it's obvious that any rational explanation will be completely lost on you.
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Old 01-30-2009, 02:28 AM
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Guess they had to get him on something.
He's getting himself on a lot of things. The first thing he did was restore funding for abortions to foreign countries while claiming the government shouldn't have anything to do with abortions, for or against. Well shouldn't that mean funding them too? Hypocrisy in action, from day one.

I have no doubt Obama is going to spend the next four years showing people that they made a huge mistake when they elected him. I pray he proves me wrong, but so far he's proving me right.
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:37 AM
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Are you really this deluded? If you are, reply and let me know before I waste my time explaining exactly who is responsible for the deaths of Iraqi's and American soldiers. I don't really feel like wasting my time if you really believe what you wrote. If you do, it's obvious that any rational explanation will be completely lost on you.
I'm glad you wrote this because I was writing something earlier on this issue, but I deleted it because I decided it wasn't worth it. As you can tell by my sig i am in the military and i do take this personal. I personal think we all should be rational and debate the thread like adults in stead of getting way off topic.(as in blaming others for thousands of death)

I personally don't mind these political debates I think they keep thing interesting as long as we don't say things that make you sound like jane fonda typing on a keyboard. just my .02
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Old 01-30-2009, 03:39 AM
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I personally don't mind these political debates I think they keep thing interesting as long as we don't say things that make you sound like jane fonda typing on a keyboard. just my .02
I had to LOL @ that! That's classic!
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Old 01-30-2009, 04:25 AM
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the post right under yours Obama was called a "killer"
http://www.matt-hughes.com/forums/sh...=3001#post3001
i agree, it is a moral wrong .. and he will have to answer, but back on topic, about libel and slander, it seems on here that obama is fair game for all types of comments, but the minute i say stuff about dubya, (whom i really don't have anything against, most of the stuff i say is to prove a point) ... things go off the deep end
You're right that comment did cross the line, but I'm just kind of used to that from Preach.

However, most of what I was talking about, when I mentioned slander and libel, was referring to signatures, avatar and thread titles. If someone had started a thread titled "Obama is a murderer" because he supports abortion, then that would be deleted right away. I'm not as worried about individual posts.
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Old 01-30-2009, 09:39 AM
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That's exactly the point, the WW2 vet who died is a tragic case; but should be treated as a isolated incident. If it had happened in Illinois, then you could make a case for Obama being partly responsible; but it was in Michigan and just shows a flaw in the system that Obama is touting.

The mentality he seems to have (we should be ready to sacrifice some comfort, but he shouldn't have to) just makes him seem a little elitist. Just because he got elected President doesn't make him better than the average American. If he expects us to do without in order to "save the environment," then he should set the example and be willing to do the same.
Best post of the thread, bar none.

I'm not a President Obama hater, nor am I President Bush lover......I consider myself pretty fair and impartial, but right is right in this instance and Nate's second paragraph above says it all. This whole thread would be better suited to that topic rather than toss in the comments about WW2 veteran that froze to death in his Michigan home (which is a very tragic circumstance).

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Old 01-30-2009, 10:55 AM
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In America, our leaders aren't treated like royalty, they are treated like public servants. I can understand the English mentality, though. You guys are used to a monarchy and are considered servants of the Queen. In the US, it's just the opposite, the government answers to the people, not the other way around.

I got to stop you there, me personally i wouldn't bow to the Queen, she is no better than me and i am not subserviant to her or anyone for that matter.

I get what you are saying and i get the differences, i think people elected to Office are there to serve the constitients.

If we are beign realistic though any President of the United States isnt going to live or be the average american whether rightly or wrongly.

I will say that after reading through again, it is bad that he is insisting on these limiters whilst not abiding by it himself. I mean does this not affect your personal liberties, it would be my belief that you can live as warm or as cold as you like.The fact is, your the onne that pays the bill.

I get what you are saying and Obama has to be careful not to become a hypocrite but please dont take me as someone who thinks that our leaders are our superiors and we have to be deferential!

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Old 01-30-2009, 01:14 PM
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When the executive of the county his toasting his office.. and a plan he is backing (in the name of Socialism..IMO) causes a person to die from the cold in his own home....

That is something worth analyzing..

the WWII vet freezing to death is an isolated incident, as previously stated. I feel bad for that man--he didnt deserve to die that way and I presonally think ALL war vets should be treated with utmost respect at all times. It's a shame that this country seems to care less for some of them.

but Mr. Obama heating a room? I don't see how that is any different from the crooks over on Capital Hill and all their crap with pork barrel add ons, coat tail rides, and free food from the Dunkin Donuts on 14th street every morning at 8 am. This gov't wastes more money every day than i will ever dream of in my entire life. We are already living in a socialist-like gov't, and if people don't see they then they are lying to themselves.

the fed gov't has WAY too much power, and that does threaten the freedom of all the citizens.

I just don't see how heating an office is any different or any more of a deal from our neighbors overheating their homes, the money wasted on capital hill, or your own job overheating the building.....
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