Death Penalty

[Vizion]

Originally Posted by Miss Foxy

Sounds like the good life! Some people are sleeping on benches and in parks and most of them cowards in prison that committed these sick crimes are at Club Med...Oh at the expense of us taxpayers!

3 hots and a cot x 30 years in max security = on average 2,000,000 dollars. 10 yrs of appeals on death row = 1.4 million.

Originally Posted by Miss Foxy

First of all I wasnt come off sassy, but since you wanna go there lets do it!
What in the world would this demonic woman be able to accomplish with the rest of her life? I believe your punishment should fit your crime. Gee spending the rest of your life behind bars with access to food, water, shelter, mail, visitors.....blah, blah, blah that is worse punishment? Sounds like the good life! Some people are sleeping on benches and in parks and most of them cowards in prison that committed these sick crimes are at Club Med...Oh at the expense of us taxpayers!

You get sassy all you wish, I'll choose to remain focused.

I responded to you not in a sassy way, but just wanted you to know that I have qualified my opinion in the knowledge of what went on with my co-worker. We had a very good friendship and work relationship. I still miss her to this day and my co-workers and I talk about her quite often, even though it was over 14 years ago that this horrible crime happened.

I don't want to do a bunch of what ifs, but I can if you wish me to answer your first question with the examples I can give. I don't know about you, but I sure wouldn't think of life in prison as being anything other than a living hell.

Here is the page which lead me to the quote I gave above. There is much to read through there, and I won't be able to get through it all tonight. Not that I need those pages or arguments to define my opinion, but I do like the opportunity to possibly learn something new which will also help me to become a better person.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/reli...-death-penalty

From http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/criminal.shtml

Renewing Our Call to End the Death Penalty
In these reflections, we bishops have focused on how our faith and teaching can offer a distinctive Catholic perspective on crime and punishment, responsibility and rehabilitation. These reflections do not focus on the death penalty as our primary concern. In this context, however, we wish to renew our call for an end to capital punishment.

I chose to use this page first and foremost because of which religion I was originally brought up in.

Originally Posted by Buzzard

You get sassy all you wish, I'll choose to remain focused.

I responded to you not in a sassy way, but just wanted you to know that I have qualified my opinion in the knowledge of what went on with my co-worker. We had a very good friendship and work relationship. I still miss her to this day and my co-workers and I talk about her quite often, even though it was over 14 years ago that this horrible crime happened.

I don't want to do a bunch of what ifs, but I can if you wish me to answer your first question with the examples I can give. I don't know about you, but I sure wouldn't think of life in prison as being anything other than a living hell.

Here is the page which lead me to the quote I gave above. There is much to read through there, and I won't be able to get through it all tonight. Not that I need those pages or arguments to define my opinion, but I do like the opportunity to possibly learn something new which will also help me to become a better person.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/reli...-death-penalty

From http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/criminal.shtml



I chose to use this page first and foremost because of which religion I was originally brought up in.

Thanks for the link. However your mind is made up and so is mine. That's also fine n dandy that you want to become a better person by opening your views. Unfortunately for me some things won't change and I know I am striving to be a better person with many things in my life. See ya around the forum.

Originally Posted by Vizion

3 hots and a cot x 30 years in max security = on average 2,000,000 dollars. 10 yrs of appeals on death row = 1.4 million.

Right. O_o

For me it's not about deterrence and it's not about revenge. It's about justice. A person who takes someone's life should pay with their own. That's justice.

Studies that compare homicide rates in states with and without the death penalty are inherently flawed in that they tend to ignore other demographics of the particular states such as population density, median income levels, education levels, etc. A state with a large number of people living well below the poverty line will more likely have more crime including homicides. A state with large cities will have more crime than a sparsely populated state.

I know from a personal standpoint that the death penalty is a deterrent in some instances. There have been many times that I've thought about just driving right over some numbskull who cut me off or did something else incredibly stupid, but didn't because I couldn't remember if the state I was in was a death penalty state or not.

[Vizion]

The death penalty would deter some criminals, not all. But that is hardly the only point. I think we need to enact mandatory death sentences on certain crimes when proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Child rape, child murder, first degree pre-med murder, certain illegal drug manufacturars, all card carrying members of NAMBLA, traitors to national security, and of course terrorists who were caught in the act.

[Bonnie]

I don't know about "mandatory". Sometimes, unfortunately, someone gets "snagged" by mandatory laws or sentencing that really doesn't fit their situation or circumstance. (In death penalty cases, where their guilt has been proven, I don't have a problem with it.)

Right now we're seeing this with pornography laws and these teenagers who are "sexting".

I do think there is a place for capital punishment/death penalty. There are people on this earth who have no sense of right and wrong and no conscience where their fellow human being is concerned. No amount of prison or time is going to change that.

[Spiritwalker]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

Do you have any evidence that shows the death penalty is a deterrent? Evidence that I have seen shows it not to be the case. Below is just one link.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/dete...r-murder-rates

The deterrent is simple....

The state kills a person convicted of murder. If they are dead.. they don't kill again.

And sooner or later.. someone that is thinking about killing someone will say..."whoa....if I am caught, I could die."

If that were to happen Just Once... then the theory is sound..

[Spiritwalker]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

If you don't care if it is a deterrent, which the link I offered shows it's not, is it just about revenge then?

Revenge? Sure why not. People who have their lives taken from them, do they not deserve some kind of justice?

What if I offered a link that shows it IS a deterrent?

Originally Posted by Buzzard

First off, what makes you think I have never grieved for or been a victim of a violent crime? I had a co-worker who was murdered and she left behind a young child? I think the punishment for her killer of life in prison is much worse than the punishment of death. Death is too easy, life in prison in punishment. How is life in jail not a punishment? Even DNA evidence can wrongfully convict an innocent. Nothing is 100%. Put yourself in the shoes of a wrongfully convicted person about to die because of the DP. How about putting someone from your family in those shoes.

I think she deserves to breathe prison air. Dank, musty, moldy, sweaty, fart smelling prison air. I think she deserves to think of how she will never get freedom again and maybe by chance come to see how wrong she was and use the rest of her life to possibly accomplish something good in life. I don't believe that I nor you should have the power to take another human beings life. Some will say it's not a person doing the execution but the state. I don't buy that, the state is run by people, often times people who are guilty of other crimes of which they have never been caught.

Frankly, it drives me crazy when people say this--that killers living the rest of their lives in prison is a more deserving punishment than death. Lemme clue you in---a person that kills other people for kicks and gets caught generally doesn't sit around in prison for the rest of their lives feeling bad about it. They take advantage of social programs, get degrees, form bonds and "family" groups with other prisoners, or commit further crimes on other inmates. Yeah....that's worse...